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From: Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>,
	Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>
Subject: Re: [discussion]sched: a rough proposal to enable power saving in scheduler
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:28:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120821152828.GB28241@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120821151910.GA5359@gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 05:19:10PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> wrote:
> > [...] AC/battery is just not an important power management 
> > policy input when compared to various other things.
> 
> Such as?

The scheduler's behaviour is going to have a minimal impact on power 
consumption on laptops. Other things are much more important - backlight 
level, ASPM state, that kind of thing. So why special case the 
scheduler? This is going to be hugely more important on multi-socket 
systems, where your policy is usually going to be dictated by the 
specific workload that you're running at the time. The exception is in 
cases where your rack is overcommitted for power and your rack 
management unit is telling you to reduce power consumption since 
otherwise it's going to have to cut the power to one of the machines in 
the rack in the next few seconds.

> The thing is, when I use Linux on a laptop then AC/battery is 
> *the* main policy input.

And it's already well handled from userspace, as it has to be.

> > Userspace has been doing a perfectly reasonable job of 
> > determining policy here.
> 
> Has it properly switched the scheduler's balancing between 
> power-effient and performance-maximizing strategies when for 
> example a laptop's AC got unplugged/replugged?

No, because sched_mt_powersave usually crippled performance more than it 
saved power and nobody makes multi-socket laptops.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-08-21 15:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-13 12:21 [discussion]sched: a rough proposal to enable power saving in scheduler Alex Shi
2012-08-14  7:35 ` Alex Shi
2012-08-15  8:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-08-15 11:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-08-15 13:15   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-08-15 14:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-08-16  3:22       ` Alex Shi
2012-08-16  3:09     ` Alex Shi
2012-08-15 13:45   ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-15 14:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-08-15 14:43       ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-15 15:04         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-08-15 17:59           ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-20  8:06             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-08-20  8:26               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-08-20 13:26               ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-20 18:16               ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-21  9:42                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-08-21 11:39                   ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-21 15:19                     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-08-21 15:21                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-21 15:28                       ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2012-08-21 15:59                         ` Ingo Molnar
2012-08-21 16:13                           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-21 18:23                             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-08-21 18:34                               ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-22  9:10                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-08-22 11:35                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-23  8:19                                   ` Alex Shi
2012-08-21 18:52                               ` Alan Cox
2012-08-22  9:03                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-08-22 11:00                                   ` Alan Cox
2012-08-22 11:33                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-08-22 12:58                                       ` Alan Cox
2012-08-21 16:02                       ` Alan Cox
2012-08-22  5:41                         ` Mike Galbraith
2012-08-22 13:02                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-22 13:09                             ` Mike Galbraith
2012-08-22 13:21                             ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-22 13:23                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-16  1:14         ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-16  1:17           ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-16  1:21           ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-15 14:19   ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-15 14:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-08-15 14:47       ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-08-15 16:23   ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-15 16:34   ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-15 18:02     ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-17  8:59       ` Paul Turner
2012-08-16  3:07   ` Alex Shi
2012-08-16  6:53   ` preeti
2012-08-16  9:58     ` Alex Shi
2012-08-16 12:45     ` Shilimkar, Santosh
2012-08-16 14:01     ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-16 18:45       ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-16 19:20         ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-17  1:29       ` Alex Shi
2012-08-17 18:41       ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-17 18:44         ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-17 18:47           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-17 19:45             ` Chris Friesen
2012-08-17 19:50               ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-17 20:16                 ` Chris Friesen
2012-08-18 14:33                   ` Luming Yu
2012-08-18 14:52                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-16 14:31   ` Morten Rasmussen
2012-08-19 10:12     ` Juri Lelli
2012-08-17  8:43   ` Paul Turner
2012-08-20 15:55     ` Vincent Guittot
2012-08-20 15:36   ` Vincent Guittot
2012-08-21  0:58     ` Alex Shi
2012-08-21 11:05       ` Vincent Guittot
2012-08-15 14:24 ` Rakib Mullick
2012-08-15 14:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-08-15 22:58     ` Rakib Mullick
2012-08-16  5:26     ` Alex Shi
2012-08-16  4:57   ` Alex Shi
2012-08-16  8:05     ` Rakib Mullick
2012-08-15 16:19 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-16  5:03   ` Alex Shi
2012-08-16  5:31     ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-16  5:39       ` Alex Shi
2012-08-16  5:45         ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-16 13:57     ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-08-20 15:47       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-20 15:52         ` Matthew Garrett
2012-08-20 19:22           ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-20 15:47     ` Vincent Guittot
2012-08-21  1:05       ` Alex Shi

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