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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, hch@lst.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fix queueing work if !bdi_cap_writeback_dirty()
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:49:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120916214912.GA7503@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878vccmygy.fsf@devron.myhome.or.jp>

On Sat 15-09-12 00:10:53, OGAWA Hirofumi wrote:
> Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> writes:
> 
> >> If flusher is working, it clears dirty flags of inode. But if those
> >> handers can't flush at the time, we have to do redirty or something to
> >> prevent the reclaim.
> >   Well, if this is your only problem then I'd see better options than just
> > disabling flusher thread. If the inability to write inode is rare, then
> > redirtying seems like a reasonable option (despite I agree it's a bit
> > ugly). If the inability to write is common, then you'll probably have to do
> > the dirty inode tracking yourself in some list and expose inodes to VM when
> > they are ready to be written. Or you handle writing of inodes yourself but
> > leave writing of pages on flusher thread...
> 
> Basically all data can be data-integrity write like data logging, so it
> would be more than common. And ->writepages() will also ignore WBC_SYNC_NONE.
> 
> > Because when you disable flusher thread completely you have to put all the
> > smarts to avoid livelocks, keep fairness among processes, write old data,
> > keep number of dirty pages under control into your filesystem which leads
> > to a lot of duplication.
> 
> I'm not sure what you meant though. What is the difference with ignoring
> WBC_SYNC_NONE?
  When you completely ignore WB_SYNC_NONE writeback, you'll soon drive the
machine close to dirty limits and processes dirtying pages will get
throttled. Because flusher threads won't be able to write pages - they
do WB_SYNC_NONE writeback when we have too many dirty pages - processes
will be throttled until somebody calls sync(1) or someone writes the data
for some other reason... So I suspect things won't really work as you
expect.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-16 21:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-11 18:28 [PATCH] Fix queueing work if !bdi_cap_writeback_dirty() OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-12  2:42 ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-12  8:00   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-13  0:33     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-13  5:41       ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-13  6:03         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-13  6:31           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-13  6:39 ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-13  7:53   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-14 11:13     ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-14 11:18       ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-14 11:14     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-14 12:12       ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-14 12:53         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-14 13:07           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-14 13:33             ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-14 13:49               ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-14 13:19         ` Jan Kara
2012-09-14 13:44           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-14 14:45             ` Jan Kara
2012-09-14 15:10               ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-16 21:49                 ` Jan Kara [this message]
2012-09-16 23:24                   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-17  8:48                     ` Jan Kara
2012-09-17  9:39                       ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-17  9:56                         ` Jan Kara
2012-09-17 10:37                           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-17 15:54                             ` Jan Kara
2012-09-17 16:55                               ` OGAWA Hirofumi

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