From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752143Ab2I0OV4 (ORCPT ); Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:21:56 -0400 Received: from mail-bk0-f46.google.com ([209.85.214.46]:44778 "EHLO mail-bk0-f46.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751134Ab2I0OVy (ORCPT ); Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:21:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:21:49 +0400 From: Cyrill Gorcunov To: "H. Peter Anvin" Cc: Alan Cox , Greg Kroah-Hartman , LKML , Pavel Emelyanov , Jiri Slaby Subject: Re: [RFC] tty: Add get- ioctls to fetch tty status Message-ID: <20120927142149.GH6618@moon> References: <20120922201144.GD11610@moon> <20120922215232.GA25778@moon> <20120923010953.GA17663@kroah.com> <20120923064007.GA2994@moon> <34f6ba7b-2c50-492e-9267-52d328a8d37f@email.android.com> <20120924141441.GD16532@moon> <20120927140502.GB12552@moon> <20120927151447.2460ce44@pyramind.ukuu.org.uk> <20120927141425.GG6618@moon> <5064600D.1090506@zytor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5064600D.1090506@zytor.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 07:17:49AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > >While we easily can fetch termios settings and such, there are few bits which > >are missed to expord. So this patch provides them to user-space. > > > > What bothers me (and the same applies to termios) is that you have > NO idea if your particular process is the "owner" of that tty. tty > users use out-of-band protocols, often implicit, to determine which > process "owns" the tty state. > > If you can't guarantee that ALL those processes are stopped and > checkpointed/restarted, you have a huge problem. Well, sure inside our tool before doing checkpoint we stop all tasks which are part of dumpee process tree. This unfortunatly doesn't apply to these ioctl calls. Peter, any idea how to deal with that? Cyrill