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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Chris Friesen <chris.friesen@genband.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>, Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.de>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Second attempt at kernel secure boot support
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:48:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121102154833.GG3300@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5092E361.7080901@genband.com>

On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 03:02:25PM -0600, Chris Friesen wrote:
> On 11/01/2012 02:27 PM, Pavel Machek wrote:
> 
> >Could someone write down exact requirements for Linux kernel to be signed by Microsoft?
> >Because thats apparently what you want, and I don't think crippling kexec/suspend is
> >enough.
> 
> As I understand it, the kernel won't be signed by Microsoft.
> 
> Rather, the bootloader will be signed by Microsoft and the vendors
> will be the ones that refuse to sign a kernel unless it is
> reasonably assured that it won't be used as an attack vector.
> 
> If you want fully-open behaviour it's still possible, you just need
> to turn off secure boot.
> 
> With secure boot enabled, then the kernel should refuse to let an
> unsigned kexec load new images, and kexec itself should refuse to
> load unsigned images.

Yep, good in theory. Now that basically means reimplementing kexec-tools
in kernel. That also means creating a new system call. It also
also means cutting down on future flexibility (assuming new system
call interface will be able to support existing features provided by
kernel). And it is lot of code in user space which needs to be
reimplemented in kernel and bloat kernel.

Keeping most of the logic in kexec-tools provided flexibility and keeps
kernel small. So now re-architect kexec and reverse a good design completely
for secureboot. It is a huge pain.

Thanks
Vivek

  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-02 15:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 224+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-20 14:40 [RFC] Second attempt at kernel secure boot support Matthew Garrett
2012-09-20 14:40 ` [PATCH V2 01/10] Secure boot: Add new capability Matthew Garrett
2012-09-28  3:10   ` Serge Hallyn
2012-10-20  0:15   ` joeyli
2012-10-20  9:02     ` Matt Fleming
2012-09-20 14:40 ` [PATCH V2 02/10] PCI: Lock down BAR access in secure boot environments Matthew Garrett
2012-09-20 14:40 ` [PATCH V2 03/10] x86: Lock down IO port " Matthew Garrett
2012-09-20 14:40 ` [PATCH V2 04/10] ACPI: Limit access to custom_method Matthew Garrett
2012-09-20 14:41 ` [PATCH V2 05/10] asus-wmi: Restrict debugfs interface Matthew Garrett
2012-09-20 14:41 ` [PATCH V2 06/10] Restrict /dev/mem and /dev/kmem in secure boot setups Matthew Garrett
2012-09-20 14:41 ` [PATCH V2 07/10] Secure boot: Add a dummy kernel parameter that will switch on Secure Boot mode Matthew Garrett
2012-09-20 16:32   ` Greg KH
2012-09-20 17:40     ` Josh Boyer
2012-09-25 13:08     ` [PATCH V3 " Josh Boyer
2012-10-29  9:00       ` joeyli
2012-10-30 17:48         ` Josh Boyer
2012-10-30 19:27           ` joeyli
2012-09-21  8:20   ` [PATCH V2 " joeyli
2012-09-28  3:20   ` Serge Hallyn
2012-09-20 14:41 ` [PATCH V2 08/10] efi: Enable secure boot lockdown automatically when enabled in firmware Matthew Garrett
2012-09-28  3:21   ` Serge Hallyn
2012-10-22 13:22   ` Matt Fleming
2012-09-20 14:41 ` [PATCH V2 09/10] acpi: Ignore acpi_rsdp kernel parameter in a secure boot environment Matthew Garrett
2012-09-20 14:41 ` [PATCH V2 10/10] SELinux: define mapping for new Secure Boot capability Matthew Garrett
2012-09-21 22:55 ` [RFC] Second attempt at kernel secure boot support Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-22 15:21   ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-29  7:49 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-29 17:41   ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 14:50     ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-31 14:54       ` Josh Boyer
2012-10-31 14:59         ` Shea Levy
2012-10-31 15:55         ` Alan Cox
2012-10-31 15:55           ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-31 17:03             ` Alan Cox
2012-10-31 17:01               ` Shea Levy
2012-10-31 17:17                 ` Alan Cox
2012-10-31 17:10               ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 17:21                 ` Alan Cox
2012-10-31 17:17                   ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 17:39                     ` Alan Cox
2012-10-31 17:37                       ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 17:49                         ` Alan Cox
2012-10-31 17:45                           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 20:14                       ` Oliver Neukum
2012-10-31 21:58                         ` Chris Friesen
2012-10-31 22:00                           ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-31 22:19                           ` Oliver Neukum
2012-11-01  9:08                             ` James Bottomley
2012-11-01  9:20                               ` Jiri Kosina
2012-11-01  9:38                                 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-01  9:45                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2012-11-01  9:59                                     ` James Bottomley
2012-11-01 10:06                                       ` Jiri Kosina
2012-11-01 14:29                                       ` Eric Paris
2012-11-01 14:42                                         ` James Bottomley
2012-11-01 14:49                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 15:06                                             ` James Bottomley
2012-11-01 15:17                                               ` Eric Paris
2012-11-01 16:26                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 15:06                                             ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 16:29                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 16:40                                                 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 14:59                                           ` Eric Paris
2012-11-01 15:11                                             ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 15:18                                             ` James Bottomley
2012-11-01 17:50                                               ` Eric Paris
2012-11-01 21:03                                                 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-01 21:06                                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 21:14                                                     ` James Bottomley
2012-11-01 21:18                                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 21:35                                                         ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 21:31                                                     ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 21:28                                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 21:37                                                         ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 21:34                                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 21:58                                                             ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 21:57                                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02  8:49                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-02 14:00                                                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02 22:03                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-02 22:19                                                                       ` Chris Friesen
2012-11-02 23:46                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2012-11-03  0:23                                                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-03  0:55                                                                             ` Alan Cox
2012-11-03  0:20                                                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-03  0:47                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-03  1:03                                                                           ` Alan Cox
2012-11-03  1:43                                                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-03 16:31                                                                             ` Alan Cox
2012-11-03 16:37                                                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-03 16:37                                                                               ` Eric Paris
2012-11-03 16:42                                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02 17:19                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-01 14:46                                         ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 15:04                                           ` Eric Paris
2012-11-01 20:27                                         ` Pavel Machek
2012-11-01 21:02                                           ` Chris Friesen
2012-11-02 15:48                                             ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2012-11-02 16:54                                               ` Chris Friesen
2012-11-02 17:03                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-03 23:09                                               ` Jiri Kosina
2012-11-05  6:38                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-05 14:40                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2012-11-05 15:31                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2012-11-05 15:37                                                       ` Chris Friesen
2012-11-05 18:22                                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-02 16:33                                             ` Pavel Machek
2012-11-02 16:52                                               ` James Bottomley
2012-11-02 16:54                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02 17:48                                                   ` James Bottomley
2012-11-02 17:54                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02 17:57                                                       ` James Bottomley
2012-11-02 18:04                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02 19:18                                                           ` Eric Paris
2012-11-02 23:38                                                           ` James Bottomley
2012-11-03  0:22                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-03 12:03                                                               ` James Bottomley
2012-11-03 13:46                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-03 22:56                                                                   ` James Bottomley
2012-11-04  4:28                                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-04  9:14                                                                       ` James Bottomley
2012-11-04 13:52                                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-05  6:14                                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-05  7:12                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-05  7:24                                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-05  7:40                                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-05  8:50                                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-05  8:53                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-05 12:38                                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-05 13:44                                                                                   ` Alan Cox
2012-11-05 13:46                                                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-05 19:16                                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-05 20:25                                                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06  2:46                                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-06  3:12                                                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06  3:36                                                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-06  3:53                                                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06  5:19                                                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-06  5:34                                                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06  7:56                                                                                                 ` Florian Weimer
2012-11-06 15:14                                                                                                   ` Chris Friesen
2012-11-06 15:19                                                                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2012-11-06 21:51                                                                                                     ` Florian Weimer
2012-11-06 21:55                                                                                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06 22:06                                                                                                         ` Florian Weimer
2012-11-06 22:31                                                                                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06 22:49                                                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2012-11-06 22:47                                                                                                           ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <CAMFK0gt7oAr4ArD8FmD8QE+i4g4rSTmQjbbLcjs02xwQeXGx-A@mail.gmail.com>
2012-11-07 14:55                                                                                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-08 10:18                                                                                                                 ` James Courtier-Dutton
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <CAAMvbhFF=kb8TJ4oE+40Zrx7HD1OkD0NOYj7QEZegZKGtqDm_A@mail.gmail.com>
2012-11-08 11:19                                                                                                                   ` Alan Cox
2012-11-06  9:12                                                                                               ` Alan Cox
2012-11-06 13:17                                                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06  8:13                                                                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2012-11-05  8:20                                                                           ` James Bottomley
2012-11-05 12:36                                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-04 11:53                                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2012-11-05 21:25                                                                     ` Florian Weimer
2012-11-02 14:55                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-01 10:12                               ` Oliver Neukum
2012-10-31 17:21                   ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-31 15:56           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 17:08             ` Alan Cox
2012-10-31 17:08               ` Shea Levy
2012-10-31 16:04         ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-31 16:10           ` Josh Boyer
2012-10-31 15:02       ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 15:05         ` Shea Levy
2012-10-31 15:09           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02 15:30         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-02 15:42           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02 15:52             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-02 16:22               ` Jiri Kosina
2012-11-02 18:30                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-02 16:35               ` Shuah Khan
2012-11-06 12:51         ` Jiri Kosina
2012-11-06 13:16           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 17:28     ` Takashi Iwai
2012-10-31 17:37       ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 17:44         ` Alan Cox
2012-10-31 17:44           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 18:53         ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-01  4:21           ` joeyli
2012-11-01 13:18             ` Alan Cox
2012-11-05 17:13               ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-05 17:18                 ` [PATCH RFC 0/4] Add firmware signature file check Takashi Iwai
2012-11-05 17:19                   ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] scripts/sign-file: Allow specifying hash algorithm via -a option Takashi Iwai
2012-11-05 17:19                   ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] scripts/sign-file: Support firmware signing Takashi Iwai
2012-11-05 17:20                   ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] firmware: Add a signature check Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06  6:03                     ` Mimi Zohar
2012-11-05 17:20                   ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] firmware: Install signature files automatically Takashi Iwai
2012-11-05 18:12                   ` [PATCH RFC 0/4] Add firmware signature file check Takashi Iwai
2012-11-05 20:43                   ` Josh Boyer
2012-11-06  6:46                     ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06  9:20                       ` Alan Cox
2012-11-06 10:05                         ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06  2:30                   ` Ming Lei
2012-11-06  5:46                     ` lee joey
2012-11-06  7:03                     ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06  7:16                       ` Ming Lei
2012-11-06  7:32                         ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06  8:04                           ` Ming Lei
2012-11-06  8:18                             ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06 10:04                               ` Ming Lei
2012-11-06 10:17                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06 10:40                                   ` Ming Lei
2012-11-06 10:53                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06 11:03                                       ` Ming Lei
2012-11-06 11:15                                       ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                     ` <CAGB3EUTrSMDhja9Gu3h7nuZX+H2_owp8MnUNwbZuCW=_GuawqQ@mail.gmail.com>
2012-11-06  7:06                       ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06  7:30                       ` Ming Lei
2012-11-08 17:35                   ` [PATCH RFC v2 " Takashi Iwai
2012-11-08 17:35                     ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/4] firmware: Add the firmware signing support to scripts/sign-file Takashi Iwai
2012-11-23  6:51                       ` joeyli
2012-11-08 17:35                     ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/4] firmware: Add -a option " Takashi Iwai
2012-11-23  6:51                       ` joeyli
2012-11-08 17:35                     ` [PATCH RFC v2 3/4] firmware: Add support for signature checks Takashi Iwai
2012-11-23  6:56                       ` joeyli
2012-11-23  7:34                         ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-08 17:35                     ` [PATCH RFC v2 4/4] firmware: Install firmware signature files automatically Takashi Iwai
2012-11-23  6:52                       ` joeyli
2012-11-06  0:01                 ` [PATCH RFC 0/4] Add firmware signature file check David Howells
2012-11-06  7:01                   ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06  0:05                 ` David Howells

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