From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Zhao Shuai <zhaoshuai@freebsd.org>,
axboe@kernel.dk, ctalbott@google.com, rni@google.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: performance drop after using blkcg
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 06:47:18 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121211144718.GF7084@htj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121211144336.GB5580@redhat.com>
Hello,
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 09:43:36AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> I think if one sets slice_idle=0 and group_idle=0 in CFQ, for all practical
> purposes it should become and IOPS based group scheduling.
No, I don't think it is. You can't achieve isolation without idling
between group switches. We're measuring slices in terms of iops but
what cfq actually schedules are still time slices, not IOs.
> For group accounting then CFQ uses number of requests from each cgroup
> and uses that information to schedule groups.
>
> I have not been able to figure out the practical benefits of that
> approach. At least not for the simple workloads I played with. This
> approach will not work for simple things like trying to improve dependent
> read latencies in presence of heavery writers. That's the single biggest
> use case CFQ solves, IMO.
As I wrote above, it's not about accounting. It's about scheduling
unit.
> And that happens because we stop writes and don't let them go to device
> and device is primarily dealing with reads. If some process is doing
> dependent reads and we want to improve read latencies, then either
> we need to stop flow of writes or devices are good and they always
> prioritize READs over WRITEs. If devices are good then we probably
> don't even need blkcg.
>
> So yes, iops based appraoch is fine just that number of cases where you
> will see any service differentiation should significantly less.
No, using iops to schedule time slices would lead to that. We just
need to be allocating and scheduling iops, and I don't think we should
be doing that from cfq.
Thanks.
--
tejun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-12-11 14:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <CAFVn34SxqAJe_4P-WT8MOiG-kmKKD7ge96zoHXQuGqHWPgAt+A@mail.gmail.com>
2012-12-11 7:00 ` performance drop after using blkcg Zhao Shuai
2013-08-29 3:10 ` joeytao
2013-08-29 3:20 ` joeytao
2012-12-11 14:25 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-12-11 14:27 ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-11 14:43 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-12-11 14:47 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2012-12-11 15:02 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-12-11 15:14 ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-11 15:37 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-12-11 16:01 ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-11 16:18 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-12-11 16:27 ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-12 7:29 ` Zhao Shuai
2012-12-16 4:38 ` Zhu Yanhai
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