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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Kent Overstreet <koverstreet@google.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com, rusty@rustcorp.com.au,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] generic dynamic per cpu refcounting
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:55:52 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130128185552.GD22465@mtj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130128184933.GC26407@google.com>

Hey, Kent.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:49:33AM -0800, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> Yeah. It'd be really nice if it was doable without synchronize_rcu(),
> but it'd definitely make get/put heavier.
> 
> Though, re. close() - considering we only need a synchronize_rcu() if
> the ref was in percpu mode, I wonder if that would be a dealbreaker. I
> have no clue myself.

The problem is that the performance drop (or latency increase) in
patheological cases would be catastrophic.  We're talking about
possibly quite a few millisecs of delay between each close().  When
done sequentially for large number of files, it gets ugly.  It becomes
a dangerous optimization to make.

> Getting rid of synchronize_rcu would basically require turning get and
> put into cmpxchg() loops - even in the percpu fastpath. However, percpu
> mode would still be getting rid of the shared cacheline contention, we'd
> just be adding another branch that can be safely marked unlikely() - and
> my current version has one of those already, so two branches instead of
> one in the fast path.

Or offer an asynchrnous interface so that high-frequency users don't
end up inserting synchronize_sched() between each call.  It makes the
interface more complex and further away from simple atomic_t
replacement tho.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-28 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20130124232024.GA584@google.com>
2013-01-25 18:09 ` [PATCH] generic dynamic per cpu refcounting Oleg Nesterov
2013-01-25 18:29   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-01-28 18:10     ` Kent Overstreet
2013-01-28 18:50       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-01-25 19:11   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-01-28 18:15     ` Kent Overstreet
2013-01-28 18:27       ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-28 18:49         ` Kent Overstreet
2013-01-28 18:55           ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2013-01-28 20:22             ` Kent Overstreet
2013-01-28 20:27               ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-28 20:55                 ` Kent Overstreet
2013-01-28 21:18                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-28 21:24                     ` Kent Overstreet
2013-01-28 21:28                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-28 21:36                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-28 21:48                           ` Kent Overstreet
2013-01-28 21:45                         ` Kent Overstreet
2013-01-28 21:50                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-29 16:39                             ` Kent Overstreet
2013-01-29 19:29                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-29 19:51                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2013-01-29 20:02                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-29 21:45                                     ` Kent Overstreet
2013-01-29 22:06                                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-29 18:04                             ` [PATCH] module: Convert to generic percpu refcounts Kent Overstreet
2013-01-28 18:07   ` [PATCH] generic dynamic per cpu refcounting Kent Overstreet

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