From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, john.stultz@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/6] kernel: implement queue spinlock API
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 21:03:42 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130208050342.GA23362@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130208043643.GN2545@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 08:36:43PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 07:48:33PM -0800, Michel Lespinasse wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Paul E. McKenney
> > <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 04:03:54PM -0800, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > >> It adds yet another memory write to store the node pointer in the
> > >> lock...
> > >>
> > >> I suspect it's going to increase false sharing.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, compared to straight MCS, it reduces the need to
> > > pass the node address around. Furthermore, the node pointer is likely
> > > to be in the same cache line as the lock word itself, and finally
> > > some architectures can do a double-pointer store.
> > >
> > > Of course, it might well be slower, but it seems like it is worth
> > > giving it a try.
> >
> > Right. Another nice point about this approach is that there needs to
> > be only one node per spinning CPU, so the node pointers (both tail and
> > next) might be replaced with CPU identifiers, which would bring the
> > spinlock size down to the same as with the ticket spinlock (which in
> > turns makes it that much more likely that we'll have atomic stores of
> > that size).
>
> Good point! I must admit that this is one advantage of having the
> various _irq spinlock acquisition primitives disable irqs before
> spinning. ;-)
Right... For spinlocks that -don't- disable irqs, you need to deal with
the possibility that a CPU gets interrupted while spinning, and the
interrupt handler also tries to acquire a queued lock. One way to deal
with this is to have a node per CPUxirq. Of course, if interrupts
handlers always disable irqs when acquiring a spinlock, then you only
need CPUx2.
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-02-08 5:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-01-22 23:13 [RFC PATCH 0/6] fast queue spinlocks Michel Lespinasse
2013-01-22 23:13 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] kernel: implement queue spinlock API Michel Lespinasse
2013-02-07 22:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-02-07 22:56 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-02-07 23:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-02-07 23:58 ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-02-08 0:03 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-02-08 0:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-02-08 3:48 ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-02-08 4:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-02-08 5:03 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2013-02-08 5:11 ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-02-08 16:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-02-07 23:14 ` John Stultz
2013-02-08 0:35 ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-01-22 23:13 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] net: convert qdisc busylock to use " Michel Lespinasse
2013-01-22 23:13 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] ipc: convert ipc objects " Michel Lespinasse
2013-01-22 23:13 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] kernel: faster queue spinlock implementation Michel Lespinasse
2013-01-23 21:55 ` Rik van Riel
2013-01-23 23:52 ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-01-24 0:18 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-01-25 20:30 ` [RFC PATCH 7/6] kernel: document fast queue spinlocks Rik van Riel
2013-01-22 23:13 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] net: qdisc busylock updates to account for queue spinlock api change Michel Lespinasse
2013-01-22 23:13 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] ipc: object locking " Michel Lespinasse
2013-01-22 23:17 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] fast queue spinlocks Michel Lespinasse
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