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From: Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@redhat.com>, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	keyrings@linux-nfs.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:10:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130221191009.GD20629@fenchurch.internal.datastacks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwX5AmMgEAZ8uSdH=8g00xVD3NfnvgBbgSytMGdcifKMg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:56:44AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:25:47AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >>  - why do you bother with the MS keysigning of Linux kernel modules to
> >> begin with?
> >
> > This is not actually what the patchset implements.  All it's done here
> > is using PE files as envelopes for keys.  The usage this enables is to
> > allow for whoever makes a module (binary only or merely out of tree for
> > whatever reason) to sign it and vouch for it themselves.  That could
> > include, for example, a systemtap module.
> 
> Umm. And which part of "We already support that, using standard X.509
> certificates" did we suddenly miss?
> 
> So no. The PE file thing makes no sense what-so-ever. What you mention
> we can already do, and we already do it *better*.

It's certainly true that we can use x509 signatures to chain trust from
x509 keys to other x509 keys, but when we do, we don't get to use the
hardware as the root of trust with any CA that actually *exists*.

-- 
        Peter

  reply	other threads:[~2013-02-21 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-21 15:47 [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries David Howells
2013-02-21 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 16:42   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 16:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 17:49       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:11           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-22 14:05           ` Peter Jones
2013-02-25 14:46             ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 15:50                 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 16:14                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 16:20                     ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-26 21:40                       ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 22:19                         ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-21 18:17       ` David Howells
2013-02-21 18:25         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 14:33           ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:25         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:34           ` Peter Jones
2013-02-21 18:56             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 19:10               ` Peter Jones [this message]
2013-02-21 19:10               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:31               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-21 20:32                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:38                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-18  2:12               ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-03-19 18:11                 ` David Howells
2013-03-20 16:52                   ` David Howells
2013-03-20 23:28                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-02-21 20:08         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-25 14:28     ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:45       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:08         ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 23:51       ` David Howells
2013-02-26  0:59         ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  2:33           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:02             ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:13               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:25                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  3:28                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:32                     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  3:42                       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  3:48                           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:31                             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  4:57                               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 15:30                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-26 15:38                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-27 17:23                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-02-26 21:30                               ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 21:40                                 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26 22:35                                   ` Al Viro
2013-02-26  3:40                     ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:45                       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:49                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 19:30                     ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 19:41                       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:31                 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:38                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:54                     ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  4:04                       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:13                         ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  4:23                           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:43                             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  4:59                               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:57                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-26 22:06                                 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 12:32                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-27 12:43                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 14:14                                     ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26  4:25                           ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-26  4:45                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  4:55                               ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-26  6:04                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  6:38                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 10:07                                     ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-26 10:21                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 16:45                                         ` Kent Yoder
2013-02-26 16:54                               ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 15:24                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 17:36                                   ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-27 17:59                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:21                                       ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-27 19:34                                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:14                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-27 21:31                                   ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-28  6:27                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-28  7:48                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-26 19:40                               ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 19:46                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:50                             ` Greg KH
2013-02-28  7:57                   ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 15:43                     ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-28 19:26                       ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:30                       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 19:41                         ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:53                           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 20:23                             ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 20:31                               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 15:11           ` David Howells
2013-02-26 16:50             ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 13:34         ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-26 14:16           ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-27  9:35         ` ownssh
2013-02-27 10:17           ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 11:27             ` Alexander Holler
2013-02-27 11:49               ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 14:56           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 20:35             ` ownssh
2013-03-01 18:21               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01 18:39                 ` Gene Heskett
2013-02-28 22:48 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 22:51   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:02     ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:05       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:45         ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:47           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:52             ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01  0:00               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01  0:08                 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01 10:00     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2013-03-01 14:30       ` Theodore Ts'o

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