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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Michael Wang <wangyun@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	alex.shi@intel.com, Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com>,
	"Nikunj A. Dadhania" <nikunj@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 0/3] sched: simplify the select_task_rq_fair()
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:11:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130222121123.GA6473@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1361527288.5817.121.camel@marge.simpson.net>


* Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de> wrote:

> On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 10:54 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote: 
> > * Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 09:36 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: 
> > > > On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 10:37 +0800, Michael Wang wrote:
> > > > > But that's really some benefit hardly to be estimate, especially when
> > > > > the workload is heavy, the cost of wake_affine() is very high to
> > > > > calculated se one by one, is that worth for some benefit we could not
> > > > > promise?
> > > > 
> > > > Look at something like pipe-test.. wake_affine() used to 
> > > > ensure both client/server ran on the same cpu, but then I 
> > > > think we added select_idle_sibling() and wrecked it again :/
> > > 
> > > Yeah, that's the absolute worst case for 
> > > select_idle_sibling(), 100% synchronous, absolutely nothing to 
> > > be gained by cross cpu scheduling. Fortunately, most tasks do 
> > > more than that, but nonetheless, select_idle_sibling() 
> > > definitely is a two faced little b*tch.  I'd like to see the 
> > > evil b*tch die, but something needs to replace it's pretty 
> > > face.  One thing that you can do is simply don't call it when 
> > > the context switch rate is incredible.. its job is to recover 
> > > overlap, if you're scheduling near your max, there's no win 
> > > worth the cost.
> > 
> > Couldn't we make the cutoff dependent on sched_migration_cost? 
> > If the wakeup comes in faster than that then don't spread.
> 
> No, that's too high, you loose too much of the pretty face. 
> [...]

Then a logical proportion of it - such as half of it?

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2013-02-22 12:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-29  9:08 [RFC PATCH v3 0/3] sched: simplify the select_task_rq_fair() Michael Wang
2013-01-29  9:09 ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/3] sched: schedule balance map foundation Michael Wang
2013-02-20 13:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-02-21  4:52     ` Michael Wang
2013-02-20 13:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-02-21  4:58     ` Michael Wang
2013-02-21 11:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-02-22  2:53         ` Michael Wang
2013-02-22  3:33           ` Alex Shi
2013-02-22  4:19             ` Michael Wang
2013-02-22  4:46               ` Alex Shi
2013-02-22  5:05                 ` Michael Wang
2013-01-29  9:09 ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/3] sched: build schedule balance map Michael Wang
2013-01-29  9:10 ` [RFC PATCH v3 3/3] sched: simplify select_task_rq_fair() with " Michael Wang
2013-02-18  5:52 ` [RFC PATCH v3 0/3] sched: simplify the select_task_rq_fair() Michael Wang
2013-02-20 10:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-02-20 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-02-20 14:05     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-02-21  5:21       ` Michael Wang
2013-02-21  5:14     ` Michael Wang
2013-02-21  4:51   ` Michael Wang
2013-02-21  6:11     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-02-21  7:00       ` Michael Wang
2013-02-21  8:10         ` Mike Galbraith
2013-02-21  9:08           ` Michael Wang
2013-02-21  9:43             ` Mike Galbraith
2013-02-22  2:36               ` Michael Wang
2013-02-22  5:02                 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-02-22  5:26                   ` Michael Wang
2013-02-22  6:13                     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-02-22  6:42                   ` Michael Wang
2013-02-22  8:17                     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-02-22  8:35                       ` Michael Wang
2013-02-22  8:21                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-02-22  9:10                   ` Michael Wang
2013-02-22  9:39                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-02-22  9:58                       ` Michael Wang
2013-02-21  9:20           ` Michael Wang
2013-02-21 10:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-02-22  2:37       ` Michael Wang
2013-02-22  5:08         ` Mike Galbraith
2013-02-22  6:06           ` Michael Wang
2013-02-22  6:19             ` Mike Galbraith
2013-02-22  8:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-02-22  9:11           ` Michael Wang
2013-02-22  9:57             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-02-22 10:08               ` Michael Wang
2013-02-22  9:40           ` Mike Galbraith
2013-02-22  9:54             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-02-22 10:01               ` Mike Galbraith
2013-02-22 12:11                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2013-02-22 12:35                   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-02-22 13:06                     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-02-22 14:30                       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-02-22 14:42                         ` Mike Galbraith

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