From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>,
Josh Boyer <jwboyer@redhat.com>, Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>,
Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
keyrings@linux-nfs.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 03:48:42 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130226034842.GD30285@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzn4KGKtn6cXN-jh9jgF+U1zJUnCmk6tRxmW8BZP7_Jnw@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 07:45:24PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> wrote:
> >
> > The user Microsoft care about isn't running Linux
>
> How f*cking hard is it for you to understand?
>
> Stop arguing about what MS wants. We do not care. We care bout the
> *user*. You are continually missing the whole point of security, and
> then you make some idiotic arguments about what MS wants you to do.
>
> It's irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what our *users* want
> us to do, and protecting *their* rights. As long as you seem to treat
> this as some kind of "let's please MS, not our users" issue, all your
> arguments are going to be crap.
Our users want to be able to boot Linux. If Microsoft blacklist a
distribution's bootloader, that user isn't going to be able to boot
Linux any more. How does that benefit our users? The user that wants to
explicitly disable the security is free to do so ("mokutil
--disable-validation" as root, follow the prompts, reboot), but if
we only care about *our* users then Microsoft will gleefully blacklist
us into complete irrelevance.
--
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-02-26 3:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-02-21 15:47 [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries David Howells
2013-02-21 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 16:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 16:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 17:49 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:11 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-22 14:05 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-25 14:46 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 15:50 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 16:14 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 16:20 ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-26 21:40 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 22:19 ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-21 18:17 ` David Howells
2013-02-21 18:25 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 14:33 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:34 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-21 18:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 19:10 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-21 19:10 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:31 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-21 20:32 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:38 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-18 2:12 ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-03-19 18:11 ` David Howells
2013-03-20 16:52 ` David Howells
2013-03-20 23:28 ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-02-21 20:08 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-25 14:28 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:45 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:08 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 23:51 ` David Howells
2013-02-26 0:59 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 2:33 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:02 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 3:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:25 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 3:28 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26 3:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26 3:48 ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2013-02-26 4:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26 4:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 15:30 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-26 15:38 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-27 17:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-02-26 21:30 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 21:40 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26 22:35 ` Al Viro
2013-02-26 3:40 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 3:45 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:49 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 19:30 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 19:41 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:31 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 3:38 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 3:54 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 4:04 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 4:13 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 4:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 4:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26 4:59 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:57 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-26 22:06 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 12:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-27 12:43 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 14:14 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26 4:25 ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-26 4:45 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 4:55 ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-26 6:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 6:38 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 10:07 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-26 10:21 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 16:45 ` Kent Yoder
2013-02-26 16:54 ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 15:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 17:36 ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-27 17:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:21 ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-27 19:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:14 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-27 21:31 ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-28 6:27 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-28 7:48 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-26 19:40 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 19:46 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 4:50 ` Greg KH
2013-02-28 7:57 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 15:43 ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-28 19:26 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:30 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 19:41 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:53 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 20:23 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 20:31 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 15:11 ` David Howells
2013-02-26 16:50 ` Greg KH
2013-02-26 13:34 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-26 14:16 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-27 9:35 ` ownssh
2013-02-27 10:17 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 11:27 ` Alexander Holler
2013-02-27 11:49 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 14:56 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 20:35 ` ownssh
2013-03-01 18:21 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01 18:39 ` Gene Heskett
2013-02-28 22:48 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 22:51 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:02 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:45 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:47 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:52 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01 0:00 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01 0:08 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01 10:00 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2013-03-01 14:30 ` Theodore Ts'o
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