From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Michael Wang <wangyun@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>, Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>,
Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Nikunj A. Dadhania" <nikunj@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: wakeup buddy
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:21:05 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130311082105.GB12742@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1362645372.2606.11.camel@laptop>
* Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl> wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-03-06 at 15:06 +0800, Michael Wang wrote:
>
> > wake_affine() stuff is trying to bind related tasks closely, but it
> > doesn't work well according to the test on 'perf bench sched pipe'
> > (thanks to Peter).
>
> so sched-pipe is a poor benchmark for this..
>
> Ideally we'd write a new benchmark that has some actual data footprint
> and we'd measure the cost of tasks being apart on the various cache
> metrics and see what affine wakeup does for it.
Ideally we'd offer applications a new, lightweight vsyscall:
void sys_sched_work_tick(void)
Or, to speed up adoption, a new, vsyscall-accelerated prctrl():
prctl(PR_WORK_TICK);
which applications could call in each basic work unit they are performing.
Sysbench would call it for every transaction completed, sched-pipe would
call it for every pipe message sent, hackbench would call it for messages,
etc. etc.
This is a minimal application level change, but gives *huge* information
to the scheduler: we could balance tasks to maximize their observed work
rate.
The scheduler could also do other things, like observe the wakeup/sleep
patterns within a 'work atom', observe execution overlap between work
atoms and place tasks accordingly, etc. etc.
Today we approximate work atoms by saying that scheduling atoms == work
atoms. But that approximation breaks down in a number of important cases.
If we had such a design we'd be able to fix pretty much everything,
without the catch-22 problems we are facing normally.
An added bonus would be increased instrumentation: we could trace, time,
profile work atom rates and could collect work atom profiles. We see work
atom execution histograms, etc. etc. - stuff that is simply not possible
today without extensive application-dependent instrumentation.
We could also use utrace scripts to define work atoms without modifying
the application: for many applications we know which particular function
call means that a basic work unit was completed.
I have actually written the prctl() approach before, for instrumentation
purposes, and it does wonders to system analysis.
Any objections?
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-03-11 8:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-03-06 7:06 [PATCH] sched: wakeup buddy Michael Wang
2013-03-07 8:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-03-07 9:43 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-03-08 2:37 ` Michael Wang
2013-03-08 6:44 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-03-08 7:30 ` Michael Wang
2013-03-08 8:26 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-03-11 2:42 ` Michael Wang
2013-03-07 9:46 ` Michael Wang
2013-03-07 16:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-03-08 2:31 ` Michael Wang
2013-03-11 8:21 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2013-03-11 9:14 ` Michael Wang
2013-03-11 9:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-03-12 6:00 ` Michael Wang
2013-03-12 8:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-03-12 9:41 ` Michael Wang
2013-03-07 17:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-03-08 2:33 ` Michael Wang
2013-03-07 17:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-03-08 2:50 ` Michael Wang
2013-03-11 10:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-03-12 3:23 ` Michael Wang
2013-03-12 10:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-03-13 3:07 ` Michael Wang
2013-03-14 10:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-03-15 6:24 ` Michael Wang
2013-03-18 3:26 ` Michael Wang
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