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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	peterz@infradead.org, rostedt@goodmis.org, dhowells@redhat.com,
	edumazet@google.com, darren@dvhart.com, sbw@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC nohz_full 6/7] nohz_full: Add full-system-idle state machine
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 22:06:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130719050625.GC21367@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130719021207.GA19491@somewhere>

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 04:12:08AM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 05:24:08PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:46:21AM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 09:47:49AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > 1. Some CPU coming out of idle:
> > > > 
> > > > o	rcu_sysidle_exit():
> > > > 
> > > > 	smp_mb__before_atomic_inc();
> > > > 	atomic_inc(&rdtp->dynticks_idle);
> > > > 	smp_mb__after_atomic_inc(); /* A */
> > > > 
> > > > o	rcu_sysidle_force_exit():
> > > > 
> > > > 	oldstate = ACCESS_ONCE(full_sysidle_state);
> > > > 
> > > > 2. RCU GP kthread:
> > > > 
> > > > o	rcu_sysidle():
> > > > 
> > > > 	cmpxchg(&full_sysidle_state, RCU_SYSIDLE_SHORT, RCU_SYSIDLE_LONG);
> > > > 		/* B */
> > > > 
> > > > o	rcu_sysidle_check_cpu():
> > > > 
> > > > 	cur = atomic_read(&rdtp->dynticks_idle);
> > > > 
> > > > Memory barrier A pairs with memory barrier B, so that if #1's load
> > > > from full_sysidle_state sees RCU_SYSIDLE_SHORT, we know that #1's
> > > > atomic_inc() must be visible to #2's atomic_read().  This will cause #2
> > > > to recognize that the CPU came out of idle, which will in turn cause it
> > > > to invoke rcu_sysidle_cancel() instead of rcu_sysidle(), resulting in
> > > > full_sysidle_state being set to RCU_SYSIDLE_NOT.
> > > 
> > > Ok I get it for that direction.
> > > Now imagine CPU 0 is the RCU GP kthread (#2) and CPU 1 is idle and stays
> > > so.
> > > 
> > > CPU 0 then rounds and see that all CPUs are idle, until it finally sets
> > > up RCU_SYSIDLE_SHORT_FULL and finally goes to sleep.
> > > 
> > > Then CPU 1 wakes up. It really has to see a value above RCU_SYSIDLE_SHORT
> > > otherwise it won't do the cmpxchg and see the FULL_NOTED that makes it send
> > > the IPI.
> > > 
> > > What provides the guarantee that CPU 1 sees a value above RCU_SYSIDLE_SHORT?
> > > Not on the cmpxchg but when it first dereference with ACCESS_ONCE.
> > 
> > The trick is that CPU 0 will have scanned, moved to RCU_SYSIDLE_SHORT,
> > scanned, moved to RCU_SYSIDLE_LONG, then scanned again before moving
> > to RCU_SYSIDLE_FULL.  Given CPU 1 has been idle all this time, CPU 0
> > will have read its ->dynticks_idle counter on each scan and seen it
> > having an even value.  When CPU 1 comes out of idle, it will atomically
> > increment its ->dyntick_idle(), which will happen after CPU 0's read of
> > ->dyntick_idle() during its last scan.
> > 
> > Because of the memory-barrier pairing above, this means that CPU
> > 1's read from full_sysidle_state must follow the cmpxchg() that
> > set full_sysidle_state to RCU_SYSIDLE_LONG (though not necessarily
> > the two later cmpxchg()s that set it to RCU_SYSIDLE_FULL and
> > RCU_SYSIDLE_FULL_NOTED).  But because RCU_SYSIDLE_LONG is greater than
> > RCU_SYSIDLE_SHORT, CPU 1 will take action to end the idle period.
> 
> Lets summarize the last sequence, the following happens ordered by time:
> 
>         CPU 0                          CPU 1
> 
>      cmpxchg(&full_sysidle_state,
>              RCU_SYSIDLE_SHORT,
>              RCU_SYSIDLE_LONG);
> 
>      smp_mb() //cmpxchg
> 
>      atomic_read(rdtp(1)->dynticks_idle)
> 
>      //CPU 0 goes to sleep
>                                        //CPU 1 wakes up
>                                        atomic_inc(rdtp(1)->dynticks_idle)
> 
>                                        smp_mb()
> 
>                                        ACCESS_ONCE(full_sysidle_state)
> 
> 
> Are you suggesting that because the CPU 1 executes its atomic_inc() _after_ (in terms
> of absolute time) the atomic_read of CPU 0, the ordering settled in both sides guarantees
> that the value read from CPU 1 is the one from the cmpxchg that precedes the atomic_read,
> or FULL or FULL_NOTED that happen later.
> 
> If so that's a big lesson for me.                                     

It is not absolute time that matters.  Instead, it is the fact that
CPU 0, when reading from ->dynticks_idle, read the old value before the
atomic_inc().  Therefore, anything CPU 0 did before that memory barrier
preceding CPU 0's read must come before anything CPU 1 did after that
memory barrier following the atomic_inc().  For this to work, there
must be some access to the same variable on each CPU.

Or, if you must think in terms of time, you need a separate independent
timeline for each variable, with no direct mapping from one timeline to
another, except resulting from memory-barrier interactions.

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-19  5:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-09  1:29 [PATCH RFC nohz_full 0/7] v3 Provide infrastructure for full-system idle Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-09  1:30 ` [PATCH RFC nohz_full 1/7] nohz_full: Add Kconfig parameter for scalable detection of all-idle state Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-09  1:30   ` [PATCH RFC nohz_full 2/7] nohz_full: Add rcu_dyntick data " Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-09  9:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-09 13:23       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-09  1:30   ` [PATCH RFC nohz_full 3/7] nohz_full: Add per-CPU idle-state tracking Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-09  1:30   ` [PATCH RFC nohz_full 4/7] nohz_full: Add full-system idle states and variables Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-09  1:30   ` [PATCH RFC nohz_full 5/7] nohz_full: Add full-system-idle arguments to API Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-09  1:30   ` [PATCH RFC nohz_full 6/7] nohz_full: Add full-system-idle state machine Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-17 23:31     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-07-18  0:41       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-18  1:33         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-07-18  3:39           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-18 14:24             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-07-18 16:47               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-18 22:46                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-07-19  0:24                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-19  2:12                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-07-19  5:06                       ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2013-07-24 18:09                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-07-24 22:09                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-24 23:26                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-07-26 22:52                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-27 18:13                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-07-09  1:30   ` [PATCH RFC nohz_full 7/7] nohz_full: Force RCU's grace-period kthreads onto timekeeping CPU Paul E. McKenney
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-07-26 23:18 [PATCH RFC nohz_full 0/7] v4 Provide infrastructure for full-system idle Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-26 23:19 ` [PATCH RFC nohz_full 1/7] nohz_full: Add Kconfig parameter for scalable detection of all-idle state Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-26 23:19   ` [PATCH RFC nohz_full 6/7] nohz_full: Add full-system-idle state machine Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-29  8:19     ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-07-29 17:43       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-09 16:20     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-14  3:07       ` Paul E. McKenney

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