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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: "Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao" <fernando_b1@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] nohz: Synchronize sleep time stats with seqlock
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:55:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130820215502.GA2412@somewhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52130AD7.1020000@lab.ntt.co.jp>

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 03:21:11PM +0900, Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao wrote:
> (2013年08月17日 01:46), Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> >On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 06:26:54PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> >>On 08/16, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> >>>On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 06:02:01PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> >>>>>+	do {
> >>>>>+		seq = read_seqcount_begin(&ts->sleeptime_seq);
> >>>>>+		if (ts->idle_active && nr_iowait_cpu(cpu) > 0) {
> >>>>>+			ktime_t delta = ktime_sub(now, ts->idle_entrytime);
> >>>>>+			iowait = ktime_add(ts->iowait_sleeptime, delta);
> >>>>>+		} else {
> >>>>>+			iowait = ts->iowait_sleeptime;
> >>>>>+		}
> >>>>>+	} while (read_seqcount_retry(&ts->sleeptime_seq, seq));
> >>>>Unless I missread this patch, this is still racy a bit.
> >>>>
> >>>>Suppose it is called on CPU_0 and cpu == 1. Suppose that
> >>>>ts->idle_active == T and nr_iowait_cpu(cpu) == 1.
> >>>>
> >>>>So we return iowait_sleeptime + delta.
> >>>>
> >>>>Suppose that we call get_cpu_iowait_time_us() again. By this time
> >>>>the task which incremented ->nr_iowait can be woken up on another
> >>>>CPU, and it can do atomic_dec(rq->nr_iowait). So the next time
> >>>>we return iowait_sleeptime, and this is not monotonic again.
> >>>Hmm, by the time it decrements nr_iowait, it returned from schedule() and
> >>>so idle had flushed the pending iowait sleeptime.
> >>Suppose a task does io_schedule() on CPU_0, and increments the counter.
> >>This CPU becomes idle and nr_iowait_cpu(0) == 1.
> >>
> >>Then this task is woken up, but try_to_wake_up() selects another CPU != 0.
> >>
> >>It returns from schedule() and decrements the same counter, it doesn't
> >>do raw_rq/etc again. nr_iowait_cpu(0) becomes 0.
> >>
> >>In fact the task can even migrate to another CPU right after raw_rq().
> >Ah I see now. So that indeed yet another race.
> 
> I am sorry for chiming in late.
> 
> That precisely the race I described here:
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/2/3
> 
> I should have been more concise in my explanation. I apologize.

Reading that again, the description was good. It's rather me who didn't read that
not carefully enough :)

> 
> >Should we flush that iowait to the src CPU? But then it means we must handle
> >concurrent updates to iowait_sleeptime, idle_sleeptime from the migration
> >code and from idle enter / exit.
> >
> >So I fear we need a seqlock.
> >
> >Or we can live with that and still account the whole idle time slept until
> >tick_nohz_stop_idle() to iowait if we called tick_nohz_start_idle() with nr_iowait > 0.
> >All we need is just a new field in ts-> that records on which state we entered
> >idle.
> 
> Another approach could be to shadow ->iowait_sleeptime as
> suggested here: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/2/165

Hmm, yeah it seems that it would enforce the monotonicity but the wrong forward jumps
due to bad ordering could still happen.

Oh and I realize you already suggested to account the iowait time on task migration more than
one month ago. Grr I should really sit down before reading emails.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-20 21:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-16 15:42 [PATCH RESEND 0/4] nohz: Fix racy sleeptime stats Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 15:42 ` [PATCH 1/4] nohz: Only update sleeptime stats locally Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-18 16:49   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-18 21:38     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-18 17:04   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-19 18:05     ` Stratos Karafotis
2013-08-16 15:42 ` [PATCH 2/4] nohz: Synchronize sleep time stats with seqlock Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:02   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-16 16:20     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:26       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-16 16:46         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:49           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-16 17:12             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-18 16:36               ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-18 21:25                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-19 10:58               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-19 15:44                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-08-19 15:47                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-08-19 11:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-19 11:15             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-20  6:59             ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2013-08-20  8:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-20 15:29                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-20 15:33                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-08-20 15:35                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-20 15:41                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-08-20 15:31                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-08-20 16:01                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-20 16:33                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-20 17:54                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-20 18:25                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-21  8:31                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-21 11:35                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-21 12:33                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-21 14:23                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-21 16:41                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-01 14:05                                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-01 14:26                                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-01 14:27                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-01 14:49                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-01 15:00                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-01 15:21                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-01 15:56                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-01 16:47                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-01 16:59                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-02 12:45                                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-02 12:50                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-02 14:35                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-10-02 16:01                                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-21 12:48                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-21 17:09                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-21 18:31                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-21 18:32                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-20 22:18                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-21 11:49                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-20  6:21           ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2013-08-20 21:55             ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2013-08-16 16:32     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:33       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-16 16:49         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:37       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-18 16:54   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-18 21:40     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 15:42 ` [PATCH 3/4] nohz: Consolidate sleep time stats read code Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-18 17:00   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-18 21:47     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 15:42 ` [PATCH 4/4] nohz: Convert a few places to use local per cpu accesses Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-16 16:12     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:19     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-16 16:34       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-20 18:15 ` [PATCH RESEND 0/4] nohz: Fix racy sleeptime stats Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-21  8:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-21 11:42     ` Oleg Nesterov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-05-07 13:41 [PATCH 1/4] nohz: Only update sleeptime stats locally Denys Vlasenko
2014-05-07 13:41 ` [PATCH 2/4] nohz: Synchronize sleep time stats with seqlock Denys Vlasenko
2014-04-24 18:45 [PATCH 1/4] nohz: Only update sleeptime stats locally Denys Vlasenko
2014-04-24 18:45 ` [PATCH 2/4] nohz: Synchronize sleep time stats with seqlock Denys Vlasenko
2013-08-09  0:54 [PATCH 0/4] nohz: Fix racy sleeptime stats Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-09  0:54 ` [PATCH 2/4] nohz: Synchronize sleep time stats with seqlock Frederic Weisbecker

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