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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 12/18 v2] ftrace: Disable RCU unsafe checker when function graph is enabled
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:58:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130831205831.GC3871@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1377981737.26624.6.camel@pippen.local.home>

On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 04:42:17PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-08-31 at 12:55 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 01:11:29AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > > From: "Steven Rostedt (Red Hat)" <rostedt@goodmis.org>
> > > 
> > > Having the RCU unsafe checker running when function graph is enabled
> > > can cause a live lock. That's because the RCU unsafe checker enables
> > > full lockdep debugging on RCU which does a lot of interal calls that
> > > may be traced by the function graph tacer. This adds quite a bit of
> > 
> > s/tacer/tracer/  (Yeah, yeah, picky, picky!)
> > 
> > > overhead and can possibly live lock the system.
> > > 
> > > Just do not do the RCU unsafe checks when function graph tracer is
> > > enabled.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
> > 
> > One question: How does the user/tester/developer know that RCU-unsafe
> > checks have been disabled by function-graph tracing?  Would it make
> > sense to print something to dmesg calling this out?  Or do the transitions
> > happen too often?
> 
> Ideally, (for 3.13) I plan on having this be a sysctl switch. That will
> be 1 or 0, depending on if it is enabled or not. But yeah, I can add a
> printk to show that the kernel changed it. It doesn't happen often, and
> mainly by a user (or selftest).

It would be good.  Sooner or later someone is going to miss the fact
that they added an unsafe RCU read-side code sequence because they had
the checks suppressed during testing.  It would be good to have a way
to see that this happened.  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-31 20:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-31  5:11 [RFC][PATCH 00/18 v2] ftrace/rcu: Handle unsafe RCU functions and ftrace callbacks Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/18 v2] ftrace: Add hash list to save RCU unsafe functions Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 19:28   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-03 21:15   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-03 22:18     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-03 23:57       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-04  0:18         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-04  1:11           ` [RFC][PATCH 19/18] ftrace: Print a message when the rcu checker is disabled Steven Rostedt
2013-09-04  1:25             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-04  1:24         ` [RFC][PATCH 01/18 v2] ftrace: Add hash list to save RCU unsafe functions Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-04  1:51           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-04  1:56             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-04  2:01           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-04  2:03             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-04  4:18               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-04 11:50                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-04  4:12             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/18 v2] ftrace: Do not set ftrace records for unsafe RCU when not allowed Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 19:29   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/18 v2] ftrace: Set ftrace internal function tracing RCU safe Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 19:30   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31 19:44   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-03 13:22     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-03 13:54       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/18 v2] ftrace: Add test for ops against unsafe RCU functions in callback Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 19:45   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/18 v2] ftrace: Do not display non safe RCU functions in available_filter_functions Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 19:46   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31 20:35     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 20:54       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-03 13:26         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-03 13:54           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/18 v2] ftrace: Add rcu_unsafe_filter_functions file Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 19:46   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/18 v2] ftrace: Add selftest to check if RCU unsafe functions are filtered properly Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 19:47   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/18 v2] ftrace/rcu: Do not trace debug_lockdep_rcu_enabled() Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 19:21   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31 20:31     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/18 v2] ftrace: Fix a slight race in modifying what function callback gets traced Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/18 v2] ftrace: Create a RCU unsafe checker Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 19:49   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/18 v2] ftrace: Adde infrastructure to stop RCU unsafe checker from checking Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 19:52   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31 20:40     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-03 13:43     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-03 15:22       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/18 v2] ftrace: Disable RCU unsafe checker when function graph is enabled Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 19:55   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31 20:42     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 20:58       ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 13/18 v2] ftrace: Disable the RCU unsafe checker when irqsoff " Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 19:58   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 14/18 v2] ftrace/lockdep: Have the RCU lockdep splat show what function triggered Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 19:59   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-05 19:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-05 19:52     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-06 12:57       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-06 13:16         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-05 19:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-05 20:27     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 15/18 v2] ftrace/rcu: Mark functions that are RCU unsafe Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 20:00   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31 20:43     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 20:54       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 16/18 v2] rcu/irq/x86: " Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 20:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 17/18 v2] ftrace/cpuidle/x86: " Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 11:07   ` Wysocki, Rafael J
2013-08-31 20:02   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-04  0:16   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-31  5:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 18/18 v2] ftrace/sched: " Steven Rostedt
2013-08-31 20:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-08-31 15:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/18 v2] ftrace/rcu: Handle unsafe RCU functions and ftrace callbacks Steven Rostedt

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