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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Prarit Bhargava <prarit@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] random, Add user configurable get_bytes_random()
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 10:48:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130905144818.GA23661@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1378383524-27983-1-git-send-email-prarit@redhat.com>

On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 08:18:44AM -0400, Prarit Bhargava wrote:
> The current code has two exported functions, get_bytes_random() and
> get_bytes_random_arch().  The first function only calls the entropy
> store to get random data, and the second only calls the arch specific
> hardware random number generator.
> 
> The problem is that no code is using the get_bytes_random_arch() and switching
> over will require a significant code change.  Even if the change is
> made it will be static forcing a recompile of code if/when a user has a
> system with a trusted random HW source.  A better thing to do is allow
> users to decide whether they trust their hardare random number generator.

I fail to see the benefit of just using the hardware random number
generator.  We are already mixing in the hardware random number
generator into the /dev/random pool, and so the only thing that using
only the HW source is to make the kernel more vulnerable to an attack
where the NSA leans on a few Intel employee and forces/bribes them to
make a change such that the last step in the RDRAND's AES whitening
step is changed to use a counter plus a AES key known by the NSA.

     		       	 	      - Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-05 14:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-05 12:18 [PATCH] random, Add user configurable get_bytes_random() Prarit Bhargava
2013-09-05 14:48 ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2013-09-05 15:08   ` Prarit Bhargava
2013-09-05 19:03     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-05 19:49       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-06 12:08         ` Prarit Bhargava
2013-09-06 13:57           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-09-12 17:40             ` Jörn Engel

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