From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
josh@joshtriplett.org, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, darren@dvhart.com,
sbw@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rcu: Is it safe to enter an RCU read-side critical section?
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:29:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130909132900.GE16280@somewhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130909131452.GA31370@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 03:14:52PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 08:55:04AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 14:45:49 +0200
> > Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > This just proves that the caller of rcu_is_cpu_idle() must disable
> > > > preemption itself for the entire time that it needs to use the result
> > > > of rcu_is_cpu_idle().
> > >
> > > Sorry, I don't understand your point here. What's wrong with checking the
> > > ret from another CPU?
> >
> > Hmm, OK, this is why that code is in desperate need of a comment.
> >
> > From reading the context a bit more, it seems that the per cpu value is
> > more a "per task" value that happens to be using per cpu variables, and
> > changes on context switches. Is that correct?
> >
> > Anyway, it requires a comment to explain that we are not checking the
> > CPU state, but really the current task state, otherwise that 'ret'
> > value wouldn't travel with the task, but would stick with the CPU.
>
> Egads.. and the only reason we couldn't do the immediate load is because
> of that atomic mess.
>
> Also, if its per-task, why don't we have this in the task struct? The
> current scheme makes the context switch more expensive -- is this the
> right trade-off?
No, putting that on the task_struct won't help much in this regard I think.
Regular schedule() calls don't change that per cpu state.
Only preempt_schedule_irq() and schedule_user() are concerned with rcu eqs state
exit/restore. But still storing that on task struct won't help.
>
> So maybe something like:
>
> int rcu_is_cpu_idle(void)
> {
> /*
> * Comment explaining that rcu_dynticks.dynticks really is a
> * per-task something and we need preemption-safe loading.
> */
> atomic_t dynticks = this_cpu_read(rcu_dynticks.dynticks);
> return !(__atomic_read(&dynticks) & 0x01);
> }
>
> Where __atomic_read() would be like atomic_read() but without the
> volatile crap since that's entirely redundant here I think.
>
> The this_cpu_read() should ensure we get a preemption-safe copy of the
> value.
>
> Once that this_cpu stuff grows preemption checks we'd need something
> like __raw_this_cpu_read() or whatever the variant without preemption
> checks will be called.
Yeah I thought about using this_cpu_read() too, lets wait for the preemption
checks to get in.
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Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-09-05 19:52 [PATCH] rcu: Is it safe to enter an RCU read-side critical section? Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-05 20:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-05 20:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-05 21:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-05 23:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-06 10:59 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-06 15:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 15:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-06 16:40 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-06 16:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-06 16:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 17:00 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-06 17:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-06 17:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 17:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 18:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-07 0:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-07 1:19 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-09-08 1:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 10:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-06 17:21 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-09-06 17:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 18:59 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-06 20:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 10:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 12:13 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 12:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 12:45 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 12:55 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 13:08 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 13:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 13:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 13:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 13:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 14:40 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 15:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 15:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:03 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 16:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:30 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 13:45 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 13:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 14:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 17:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 17:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 17:29 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-09-09 17:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 18:36 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 18:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 21:40 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-09-09 21:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 22:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-11 14:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-11 14:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-11 15:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-11 15:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-11 16:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 13:29 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2013-09-09 13:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 13:49 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 13:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:55 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 17:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 13:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 14:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-09 15:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 15:24 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-09 15:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 15:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-09 16:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-10 21:37 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12 6:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-12 14:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-10 21:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12 6:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-12 14:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-09 16:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-10 4:07 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-09 13:36 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 14:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 16:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
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