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From: "Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Ludovic Desroches <ludovic.desroches@atmel.com>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Marc Kleine-Budde <mkl@pengutronix.de>,
	nicolas.ferre@atmel.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Marc Pignat <marc.pignat@hevs.ch>,
	john.stultz@linaro.org, kernel@pengutronix.de,
	Ronald Wahl <ronald.wahl@raritan.com>,
	LAK <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] clockevents: Sanitize ticks to nsec conversion
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 22:41:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130920204125.GB16106@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1309201127400.4089@ionos.tec.linutronix.de>

Hi Thomas,

On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:56:27AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> > > +	 * For mult <= (1 << shift) we can safely add mult - 1 to
> > > +	 * prevent integer rounding loss. So the backwards conversion
> > It doesn't prevent inexactness to add mult - 1. It (only) asserts that
> > the ns2delta(delta2ns(latch)) >= latch instead of ... <= latch when not
> > doing it.
> 
> For mult <= 1 << shift the conversion is always ending up with the
> same latch value.
Ah right, I missed that we're in the slow-clock-case.

> > > +	 * from nsec to device ticks will be correct.
> > > +	 *
> > > +	 * For mult > (1 << shift), i.e. device frequency is > 1GHz we
> > > +	 * need to be careful. Adding mult - 1 will result in a value
> > > +	 * which when converted back to device ticks will be larger
> > s/will/can/
> 
> No, it will always be larger.
Hmm, consider a 1.25 GHz clock with shift = 2 and mult = 5. Then
ns2clc(clc2ns(1000)) = 1000. So it's not always larger!
In the fast-clock-case we have:
With x << shift = n * mult - k for k in [0 .. mult-1] and an integer n:

	  ns2clc(clc2ns(x))
	= ns2clc(((x << shift) + mult - 1) / mult)
	= ((((x << shift) + mult - 1) / mult) * mult) >> shift
	= n * mult >> shift
	= ((x << shift) + k) >> shift
	= x + (k >> shift)

So ns2clc(clc2ns(x)) = x for all x > 0 that have

	k = mult - ((x << shift) - 1) % mult - 1 < 1 << shift

So my correction still stands.
 
> > > +	 * than latch by (mult / (1 << shift)) - 1. For the min_delta
> > s/by/by up to/
>From the calculation above you can also see that this term is wrong. k
is smaller than mult (and there are values that realize k = mult - 1).
So the converted back value can be larger than latch by up to
(mult - 1) >> shift. This is zero for the slow-clock-case.

In the 1.25 GHz example above that means that the difference is up to 1,
not 0 as your term would imply. 1004 is an example where the conversion
to nano seconds and back to ticks results in a difference of 1.

> > > +	 * calculation we still want to apply this in order to stay
> > > +	 * above the minimum device ticks limit. For the upper limit
> > > +	 * we would end up with a latch value larger than the upper
> > > +	 * limit of the device, so we omit the add to stay below the
> > > +	 * device upper boundary.
> > > +	 *
> > > +	 * Also omit the add if it would overflow the u64 boundary.
> > > +	 */
> > > +	if ((~0ULL - clc > rnd) &&
> > > +	    (!ismax || evt->mult <= (1U << evt->shift)))
> > > +		clc += rnd;
> > I would expect that
> > 
> > 	if (!ismax)
> > 		if (~0ULL - clc > rnd)
> > 			clc += rnd;
> > 		else
> > 			clc = ~0ULL;
> > 
> > is enough (and a tad more exact in the presence of an overflow). I have
> > to think about that though.
> 
> Errm.
> 
> 1) We cannot add if we'd overflow
> 
> 2) For mult <= 1 << shift it's always correct
> 
> 3) for mult > 1 << shift we only apply it to the min value not the max
Yeah, I didn't say your code is wrong *here*. I just think that my
easier (and so probably faster) code is good enough.
 
> > >  	clockevents_calc_mult_shift(dev, freq, sec);
> > > -	dev->min_delta_ns = clockevent_delta2ns(dev->min_delta_ticks, dev);
> > > -	dev->max_delta_ns = clockevent_delta2ns(dev->max_delta_ticks, dev);
> > > +	dev->min_delta_ns = cev_delta2ns(dev->min_delta_ticks, dev, false);
> > > +	dev->max_delta_ns = cev_delta2ns(dev->max_delta_ticks, dev, true);
> > Another improvement that came to my mind just now. For min_delta_ns you
> > want to assert that it results in a value >= min_delta_ticks when
> > converted back. For max_delta_ns you want ... value <= max_delta_ticks.
> > What about the values in between? They for sure should land in
> > [min_delta_ticks ... max_delta_ticks] when converted back and ideally
> > should be most exact. The latter part would mean to add (rnd / 2)
> > instead of rnd. I don't know yet how that would behave at the borders of
> > the [min_delta_ns ... max_delta_ns] interval, but I think you still need
> > to special-case that.
> 
> Again:
> 
> 1) For mult <= 1 << shift the backwards conversion is always the same as
>    the input value.
> 
> 2) For mult > 1 << shift the backwards conversion of the min value is
>    always > than the input value. And the backwards conversion of the
>    max value is always < than the input value.
> 
> The values between that are completely uninteresting as the
> program_events code always converts from nsec to device ticks.
> 
> We clamp the delta between min_ns and max_ns. So due to the above any
> 
>    min_ns <= delta <= max_ns
> 
> will after conversion fulfil 
> 
>    min_tick <= delta_tick <= max_tick
> 
> So what are you going to improve? Either the math works or it does not.
Right, my idea is nice, but useless.

So I suggest you resend your patch with the compile fix and the
corrected comment and I will think about my suggestion to simplify the
if condition independently as it's only a small runtime improvent and so
not important enough to stop the correctness issue your patch is fixing.

Best regards and thanks for the nice discussion,
Uwe

-- 
Pengutronix e.K.                           | Uwe Kleine-König            |
Industrial Linux Solutions                 | http://www.pengutronix.de/  |

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-20 20:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-13 13:02 [PATCH] [PATCH] clocksource: tcb: fix min_delta calculation Marc Kleine-Budde
     [not found] ` <20130917095600.GJ26819@ludovic.desroches@atmel.com>
2013-09-17 10:04   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-09-17 11:26     ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]       ` <20130917130153.GL26819@ludovic.desroches@atmel.com>
2013-09-17 21:15         ` [PATCH] clockevents: Sanitize ticks to nsec conversion Thomas Gleixner
2013-09-17 22:25           ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2013-09-17 23:20             ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-09-18  8:56           ` Uwe Kleine-König
2013-09-18  9:38             ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-09-18 15:09               ` Uwe Kleine-König
2013-09-18 22:01                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-09-19 10:02                   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2013-09-19 10:15                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-09-19 12:48                       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2013-09-19 13:12                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-09-19 14:30                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-09-19 20:03                           ` Uwe Kleine-König
2013-09-20  9:56                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-09-20 20:41                               ` Uwe Kleine-König [this message]
2013-09-20 21:30                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-09-24 19:50                           ` [PATCH v2] " Uwe Kleine-König
2013-09-24 21:11                             ` Timekeeping on at91rm9200 [Was: [PATCH v2] clockevents: Sanitize ticks to nsec conversion] Uwe Kleine-König
2013-10-04 10:00                               ` Nicolas Ferre
2013-09-24 21:16                             ` [PATCH v2] clockevents: Sanitize ticks to nsec conversion Uwe Kleine-König
2013-10-08 10:08                             ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2013-10-08 15:31                               ` [GIT PULL] fixes for integer rounding in timer core (Was: [PATCH v2] clockevents: Sanitize ticks to nsec conversion) Uwe Kleine-König
2013-10-14  7:34                                 ` [GIT PULL] fixes for integer rounding in timer core Uwe Kleine-König
2013-10-16 14:19                                   ` Nicolas Ferre
2013-10-21  7:12                                   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2013-10-21 20:53                                     ` Daniel Lezcano
2013-10-23 10:56                             ` [tip:timers/urgent] clockevents: Sanitize ticks to nsec conversion tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner

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