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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@au1.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	James Hogan <james.hogan@imgtec.com>,
	"James E.J. Bottomley" <jejb@parisc-linux.org>,
	Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC GIT PULL] softirq: Consolidation and stack overrun fix
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 09:47:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130921074726.GA7771@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyBcjP2U6ipzZay=FdhzA4oFNwE4tU0OcJJhwFvgoeALw@mail.gmail.com>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Now just for clarity, what do we then do with inline sofirq 
> > executions: on local_bh_enable() for example, or explicit calls to 
> > do_softirq() other than irq exit?
> 
> If we do a softirq because it was pending and we did a 
> "local_bh_enable()" in normal code, we need a new stack. The 
> "local_bh_enable()" may be pretty deep in the callchain on a normal 
> process stack, so I think it would be safest to switch to a separate 
> stack for softirq handling.
> 
> So you have a few different cases:
> 
>  - irq_exit(). The irq stack is by definition empty (assuming itq_exit() 
> is done on the irq stack), so doing softirq in that context should be 
> fine. However, that assumes that if we get *another* interrupt, then 
> we'll switch stacks again, so this does mean that we need two irq 
> stacks. No, irq's don't nest, but if we run softirq on the first irq 
> stack, the other irq *can* nest that softirq.
> 
>  - process context doing local_bh_enable, and a bh became pending while 
> it was disabled. See above: this needs a stack switch. Which stack to 
> use is open, again assuming that a hardirq coming in will switch to yet 
> another stack.
> 
> Hmm?

I'd definitely argue in favor of never letting unknown-size stacks nest 
(i.e. to always switch if we start a new context on top of a non-trivial 
stack).

Known (small) size stack nesting is not real stack nesting, it's just a 
somewhat unusual (and faster) way of stack switching.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-21  7:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-19 19:51 [RFC GIT PULL] softirq: Consolidation and stack overrun fix Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-19 19:51 ` [PATCH 1/3] irq: Consolidate do_softirq() arch overriden implementations Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-19 19:51 ` [PATCH 2/3] irq: Execute softirq on its own stack on irq exit Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-19 19:51 ` [PATCH 3/3] irq: Comment on the use of inline stack for ksoftirqd Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-20  0:02 ` [RFC GIT PULL] softirq: Consolidation and stack overrun fix Linus Torvalds
2013-09-20  1:53   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-20 11:03   ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-09-20 11:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-21  0:55       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-20 16:26     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-20 17:30       ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-09-20 18:37         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-20 22:14       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-09-21  7:47         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2013-09-21 18:58         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-21 21:45           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-21 23:27             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-22  2:01             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-09-22  4:39               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-22  4:41                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-22 16:24                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-22 17:47                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-09-22 22:00                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-22 21:56                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-22 22:22                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-09-22 22:38                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-23  4:35                           ` [PATCH] powerpc/irq: Run softirqs off the top of the irq stack Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-23  7:56                             ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-09-23 10:13                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-23 16:47                             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-09-23 20:51                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-24  5:42                           ` [PATCH v2] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-23 17:59                         ` [RFC GIT PULL] softirq: Consolidation and stack overrun fix Chris Metcalf
2013-09-23 20:57                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-24 19:27                             ` Chris Metcalf
2013-09-24 20:58                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-24  0:10                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-24  1:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-09-24  1:52                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-24  8:04                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-24  8:16                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-24  8:21                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-24  9:31                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-23  4:40             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-23  5:01               ` David Miller
2013-09-24  2:44               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-24  4:42                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-24 13:56                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-24 20:55                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-09-25  8:46                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-21  0:52       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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