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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <bitbucket@online.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] sched: Avoid select_idle_sibling() for wake_affine(.sync=true)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 17:43:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130926154303.GA3364@laptop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130926143533.GE3657@laptop.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 04:35:33PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 04:39:30AM -0700, Paul Turner wrote:
> > It is my intuition that there are a few common objects with fairly
> > polarized behavior:  I.e. For condition variables and producer
> > consumer queues, a wakeup strongly predicts blocking.  Whereas for
> > locks protecting objects, e.g. a Mutex, would be expected to have the
> > opposite behavior.
> 
> Agreed; however none of those seem to have the property we're looking
> for.
> 
> Even produces consumer queues on their own don't generate the
> alternating patterns we're looking for with the SYNC hint.
> 
> We need a 'guarantee' that the waker is going to stop until the wakee is
> done.
> 
> What we're looking for is the typical synchronous request-reply like
> pattern -- and that doesn't seem to correlate to any one locking object.
> 
> Rather it is an inter-task relation; so task state does make sense in
> finding them. We could for instance try and infer which task is
> servicing requests; and then we know that requesting tasks will sleep
> until reply.
> 

Oh never mind, I see what you meant, the edges in that graph are the
locks.

Can't use RIPs for futexes though; you'd likely end up in the one
pthread_mutex_lock() implementation or such.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-26 15:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-25  7:53 [RFC][PATCH] sched: Avoid select_idle_sibling() for wake_affine(.sync=true) Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-25  8:56 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-26  2:50   ` Michael wang
2013-09-26  3:41     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-26  5:12       ` Michael wang
2013-09-26  5:34         ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-26  6:15           ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-26  6:32           ` Michael wang
2013-09-26  7:09             ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-26  7:26               ` Michael wang
2013-09-26  9:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-26 10:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-26 10:55     ` Paul Turner
2013-09-26 11:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-26 11:39         ` Paul Turner
2013-09-26 14:35           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-26 15:43             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2013-09-26 13:46     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-26 15:09     ` Michael wang
2013-09-26 15:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-27  1:19         ` Michael wang

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