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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] hotplug: Optimize {get,put}_online_cpus()
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:55:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131010145532.GK5790@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131010110616.GA22827@redhat.com>

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 01:06:16PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 10/09, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 12:25:06 +0200 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > > The current implementation of get_online_cpus() is global of nature
> > > and thus not suited for any kind of common usage.
> > >
> > > Re-implement the current recursive r/w cpu hotplug lock such that the
> > > read side locks are as light as possible.
> > >
> > > The current cpu hotplug lock is entirely reader biased; but since
> > > readers are expensive there aren't a lot of them about and writer
> > > starvation isn't a particular problem.
> > >
> > > However by making the reader side more usable there is a fair chance
> > > it will get used more and thus the starvation issue becomes a real
> > > possibility.
> > >
> > > Therefore this new implementation is fair, alternating readers and
> > > writers; this however requires per-task state to allow the reader
> > > recursion.
> >
> > Obvious question: can't we adapt lglocks for this?  It would need the
> > counter in task_struct to permit reader nesting, but what else is
> > needed?
> 
> Unlikely. If nothing else, get_online_cpus() is might_sleep().
> 
> But we can joing this with percpu_rw_semaphore (and I am going to try
> to do this). Ignoring the counter in task_struct this is the same thing,
> but get_online_cpus() is also optimized for the case when the writer
> is pending (percpu_down_read() uses down_read() in this case).

To Andrew's overall question, I believe that by the time we apply
this in the various places where it can help, it will have simplified
things a bit -- and made them faster and more scalable.

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-10 14:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-08 10:25 [PATCH 0/6] Optimize the cpu hotplug locking -v2 Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-08 10:25 ` [PATCH 1/6] hotplug: Optimize {get,put}_online_cpus() Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-08 15:08   ` Rik van Riel
2013-10-10  5:47   ` Andrew Morton
2013-10-10 11:06     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-10 14:55       ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2013-10-08 10:25 ` [PATCH 2/6] rcu: Create rcu_sync infrastructure Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-08 20:40   ` Jonathan Corbet
2013-10-09 19:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-17  2:56   ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-10-17 10:36   ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-10-08 10:25 ` [PATCH 3/6] hotplug: Optimize cpu_hotplug_{begin,done}() using rcu_sync Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-08 16:28   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-08 10:25 ` [PATCH 4/6] rcusync: Introduce struct rcu_sync_ops Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-08 16:30   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-17  2:07   ` Lai Jiangshan
     [not found]     ` <20131017154228.GL4553@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2013-10-18  1:23       ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-10-18 12:10         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-20 16:58           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-08 10:25 ` [PATCH 5/6] rcusync: Add the CONFIG_PROVE_RCU checks Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-08 16:30   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-08 10:25 ` [PATCH 6/6] rcusync: Introduce rcu_sync_dtor() Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-08 16:32   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-08 15:27 ` [PATCH 0/6] Optimize the cpu hotplug locking -v2 Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-08 15:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-10  5:50 ` Andrew Morton
2013-10-10  6:27   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-10  6:34     ` Andrew Morton
2013-10-10  7:27       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-10  7:33         ` Andrew Morton
2013-10-10  7:45           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-10 12:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-10 14:57     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-10 15:21       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-10 15:36         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-10 16:50         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-10 17:13           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-10 17:35             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-10 18:35             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-10 15:26       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-10 16:00         ` Andrew Morton
2013-10-10 16:36           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-10-10 16:43             ` Andrew Morton
2013-10-10 16:53               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-10 17:13                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-10-10 17:48                   ` Andrew Morton
2013-10-10 18:10                     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-10-10 18:43                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-10-10 18:50                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-10 19:15                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-10 19:00                         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-10-10 18:46                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-10 18:34                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-10 18:49                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-10-10 19:04                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-10-10 19:16                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-10-10 19:34                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-10 19:34                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-10-11  6:09                             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-11 12:38                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-11 18:25                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-11 20:48                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-12 17:06                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-14  9:05                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-14  9:23                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-15  1:01                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-17 16:49                           ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Remove get_online_cpus() usage tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-10 17:39                 ` [PATCH 0/6] Optimize the cpu hotplug locking -v2 Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-10 16:52           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-10 17:44             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-10 16:54           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-10 19:04             ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2013-10-10 18:52         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat

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