From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754714Ab3KCWD1 (ORCPT ); Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:03:27 -0500 Received: from mail-ea0-f196.google.com ([209.85.215.196]:48008 "EHLO mail-ea0-f196.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754181Ab3KCWDZ convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:03:25 -0500 From: andreas.thalhammer@linux.com Reply-To: andreas.thalhammer@linux.com To: "Theodore Ts'o" Subject: [Topic closed] A Desktop Linux idea: modulized open hardware database for the linux kernel config Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 23:03:16 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.11.3-gentoo-6.0; KDE/4.11.2; x86_64; ; ) References: <201311031553.26488.andreas.thalhammer@linux.com> <201311031957.29584.andreas.thalhammer@linux.com> <20131103200227.GC7376@thunk.org> In-Reply-To: <20131103200227.GC7376@thunk.org> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Message-Id: <201311032303.16938.andreas.thalhammer@linux.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Theodore Ts'o wrote on Sunday, 03rd November 2013: > It's an idea that people have tossed around before, but utltimately, > it's far more work than it's worth, and it's a maintenance nightmare. > For most non-technical users, using a distro kernel is quite good > enough. Yes, I get it. Thanks for the honesty. > > I’m sorry, but I cannot possibly do this all by myself. I was able > > to help in some Wikis and in Smolt, but I cannot setup such a > > system. Apparently I was only able to come up with the idea... > > If you told me that you wanted to try it, I would tell you that you > were going to be getting into a huge amount of work, and it's not > obvious to me that it's worth it --- but if you are going to volunteer > your own time, then it's ultimately up to you. But having you trying > to volunteer *other* people's time for what might be a sisyphean does > take a fair amount of chutzpah. I don’t want other people to volunteer, I was expressing an idea, but – after reading your answer – I do understand that the gain is not worth the effort. At least now I know what you (the people making Linux) think about it. I was trying to off-load some workload from you (developers) to power-users. I consider myself to be good enough to compile a kernel by myself, and to install Gentoo for that matter, and I’m also willing to volunteer some of my spare time to help other people who run Linux. I wrote some Wiki entries on how to install Linux on a specific machine and how to get things to run. I found that most of the times a new kernel was required due to some devices requireing a staging driver or a deactivated feature of a driver. However, my possibilities are limited. As I wrote before, I tried some tools (written by others!) that unfortunately didn’t work out, like Smolt. So I’ll let go of that idea. I’m certainly glad to have proposed it, but I get it that it isn’t worth it. I don’t think it has anything to do with chutzpah though, since the posting was motivated by me being eager to help where I can, not where I cannot. (Although I do understand it may look different.) Thanks!