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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] printk: Defer printing to irq work when we printed too much
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:54:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131111215415.GA23331@amd.pavel.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131107225733.GE2054@quack.suse.cz>

Hi!

> > > A CPU can be caught in console_unlock() for a long time (tens of seconds
> > > are reported by our customers) when other CPUs are using printk heavily
> > > and serial console makes printing slow. Despite serial console drivers
> > > are calling touch_nmi_watchdog() this triggers softlockup warnings
> > > because interrupts are disabled for the whole time console_unlock() runs
> > > (e.g. vprintk() calls console_unlock() with interrupts disabled). Thus
> > > IPIs cannot be processed and other CPUs get stuck spinning in calls like
> > > smp_call_function_many(). Also RCU eventually starts reporting lockups.
> > >
> > > In my artifical testing I can also easily trigger a situation when disk
> > > disappears from the system apparently because interrupt from it wasn't
> > > served for too long. This is why just silencing watchdogs isn't a
> > > reliable solution to the problem and we simply have to avoid spending
> > > too long in console_unlock() with interrupts disabled.
> > >
> > > The solution this patch works toward is to postpone printing to a later
> > > moment / different CPU when we already printed over X characters in
> > > current console_unlock() invocation. This is a crude heuristic but
> > > measuring time we spent printing doesn't seem to be really viable - we
> > > cannot rely on high resolution time being available and with interrupts
> > > disabled jiffies are not updated. User can tune the value X via
> > > printk.offload_chars kernel parameter.
> > >
> > > Reviewed-by: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
> > > Signed-off-by: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
> > 
> > When a message takes tens of seconds to be printed, it usually means
> > we are in trouble somehow :)
> > I wonder what printk source can trigger such a high volume.
>   Machines with tens of processors and thousands of scsi devices. When
> device discovery happens on boot, all processors are busily reporting new
> scsi devices and one poor looser is bound to do the printing for ever and
> ever until the machine dies...

Dunno. In these cases, would it make sense to:

1) reduce amount of text printed

2) just print [XXX characters lost] on overruns?

									Pavel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-11 21:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-07 21:48 [PATCH 0/4 v6] Avoid softlockups in console_unlock() Jan Kara
2013-11-07 21:48 ` [PATCH 1/4] printk: Remove separate printk_sched buffers and use printk buf instead Jan Kara
2013-11-07 21:48 ` [PATCH 2/4] irq_work: Provide a irq work that can be processed on any cpu Jan Kara
2013-11-07 22:13   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 22:19     ` Jan Kara
2013-11-07 22:23       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 22:50         ` Jan Kara
2013-11-07 22:54           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 23:01             ` Jan Kara
2013-11-07 23:31               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-11-08 10:18                 ` Jan Kara
2013-11-07 22:32       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 21:48 ` [PATCH 3/4] printk: Defer printing to irq work when we printed too much Jan Kara
2013-11-07 22:43   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 22:57     ` Jan Kara
2013-11-07 23:21       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 23:37         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-11-07 23:44           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 23:46           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-08 10:21             ` Jan Kara
2013-11-22 23:27               ` Andrew Morton
2013-11-25 12:08                 ` Jan Kara
2013-11-11 21:54       ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2013-11-11 22:17         ` Jan Kara
2013-11-16 11:35           ` Pavel Machek
2013-11-07 22:59     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-11-07 21:48 ` [PATCH 4/4] printk: Use unbound irq work for printing and waking Jan Kara
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-08-21  8:08 [PATCH 0/4 v6] Avoid softlockups in console_unlock() Jan Kara
2013-08-21  8:08 ` [PATCH 3/4] printk: Defer printing to irq work when we printed too much Jan Kara
2013-08-21 19:06   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-08-14 13:28 [PATCH 0/4 v5] Avoid softlockups in console_unlock() Jan Kara
2013-08-14 13:28 ` [PATCH 3/4] printk: Defer printing to irq work when we printed too much Jan Kara
2013-08-15  1:38   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-08-15  7:52     ` Jan Kara
2013-08-15 13:26       ` Steven Rostedt

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