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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Greg Price <price@mit.edu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/11] random: code cleanups
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 22:32:05 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131113033205.GA9214@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131112224009.GX8043@ringworld.MIT.EDU>

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 05:40:09PM -0500, Greg Price wrote:
> 
> Beyond these easy cleanups, I have a couple of patches queued up (just
> written yesterday, not quite finished) to make /dev/urandom block at
> boot until it has enough entropy, as the "Mining your P's and Q's"
> paper recommended and people have occasionally discussed since then.
> Those patches were definitely for after 3.13 anyway, and I'll send
> them when they're ready.  I see some notifications and warnings in
> this direction in the random.git tree, which is great.

One of the things I've been thinking about with respect to making
/dev/urandom block is being able to configure (via a module parameter
which could be specified on the boot command line) which allows us to
set a limit for how long /dev/urandom will block after which we log a
high priority message that there was an attempt to read from
/dev/urandom which couldn't be satisified, and then allowing the
/dev/urandom read to succed.

The basic idea is that we don't want to break systems, but we do want
to gently coerce people to do the right thing.  Otherwise, I'm worried
that distros, or embedded/mobile/consume electronics engineers would
just patch out the check.  If we make the default be something like
"block for 5 minutes", and then log a message, we won't completely
break a user who is trying to login to a VM, but it will be obvious,
both from the delay and from the kern.crit log message, that there is
a potential problem here that a system administrator needs to worry
about.

						- Ted



  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-13  3:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-07 23:57 [PATCH 00/11] random: code cleanups Greg Price
2013-11-07 23:57 ` [PATCH 01/11] random: fix typos / spelling errors in comments Greg Price
2013-11-07 23:58 ` [PATCH 02/11] random: fix comment on proc_do_uuid Greg Price
2013-11-07 23:58 ` [PATCH 03/11] random: fix description of get_random_bytes Greg Price
2013-11-07 23:58 ` [PATCH 04/11] random: simplify loop in random_read Greg Price
2013-11-07 23:58 ` [PATCH 05/11] random: declare trickle_count unsigned Greg Price
2013-11-07 23:58 ` [PATCH 06/11] random: fix comment on "account" Greg Price
2013-11-07 23:58 ` [PATCH 07/11] random: simplify accounting code slightly Greg Price
2013-11-07 23:59 ` [PATCH 08/11] random: simplify accounting logic Greg Price
2013-11-07 23:59 ` [PATCH 09/11] random: forget lock in lockless accounting Greg Price
2013-11-07 23:59 ` [PATCH 10/11] random: pull 'min' check in accounting to inside lockless update Greg Price
2013-11-07 23:59 ` [PATCH 11/11] random: simplify accounting code Greg Price
2013-11-12  4:24 ` [PATCH 00/11] random: code cleanups Theodore Ts'o
2013-11-12 22:40   ` Greg Price
2013-11-13  3:32     ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2013-11-13  4:02       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-13  4:37         ` Greg Price
2013-11-13  4:51           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-13  6:06             ` Greg Price
2013-11-13  4:23       ` Greg Price
2013-11-13  6:08         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-11-13  6:28           ` Greg Price

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