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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com,
	darren@dvhart.com, fweisbec@gmail.com, sbw@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 RFC 1/3] documentation: Add needed ACCESS_ONCE() calls to memory-barriers.txt
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 09:17:19 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131123171719.GN4138@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131123090406.GL4971@laptop.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:04:06AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:13:13AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > How about the following?
> > 
> > 							Thanx, Paul
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > COMPILER BARRIER
> > ----------------
> > 
> > The Linux kernel has an explicit compiler barrier function that prevents the
> > compiler from moving the memory accesses either side of it to the other side:
> > 
> >         barrier();
> > 
> > This is a general barrier -- there are no read-read or write-write variants
> > of barrier().  Howevever, ACCESS_ONCE() can be thought of as a weak form
> > for barrier() that affects only the specific accesses flagged by the
> > ACCESS_ONCE().
> > 
> > The compiler barrier has no direct effect on the CPU, which may then reorder
> > things however it wishes.
> > 
> 
> Seems ok, however this also seems like the natural spot to put that
> chunk about how a compiler can mis-transform stuff without either
> barrier or ACCESS_ONC(); that currently seems spread out over the
> document in some notes.
> 
> The biggest of which seems to have ended up in the GUARANTEES chapter.

Good point!  I believe that the spread-out stuff is still needed, so I
will add a summary of that information here, perhaps based in part on
Jon Corbet's ACCESS_ONCE() article (http://lwn.net/Articles/508991/).

Seem reasonable?

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-25 17:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-21 21:30 [PATCH v2 RFC 0/3] Memory-barrier documentation updates Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-21 21:31 ` [PATCH v2 RFC 1/3] documentation: Add needed ACCESS_ONCE() calls to memory-barriers.txt Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-21 21:31   ` [PATCH v2 RFC 2/3] documentation: Add long atomic examples " Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-21 21:55   ` [PATCH v2 RFC 1/3] documentation: Add needed ACCESS_ONCE() calls " Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-21 22:09     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-21 22:18       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-21 22:32         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-22 11:17           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-22 18:54             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-22 15:39   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-22 18:13     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-11-23  9:04       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-23 17:17         ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2013-12-04  0:47           ` Paul E. McKenney

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