From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752389Ab3LPHwF (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Dec 2013 02:52:05 -0500 Received: from mail.linuxfoundation.org ([140.211.169.12]:39409 "EHLO mail.linuxfoundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751329Ab3LPHwC (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Dec 2013 02:52:02 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 23:53:36 -0800 From: Andrew Morton To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh Cc: Matthew Garrett , linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, "'Kyungmin Park'" , kay@vrfy.org, Jingoo Han , "'Henrique de Moraes Holschuh'" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org, ibm-acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, "'Richard Purdie'" Subject: Re: [ibm-acpi-devel] [PATCH] video: backlight: Remove backlight sysfs uevent Message-Id: <20131215235336.49d49a25.akpm@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: <20131124035311.GC19499@khazad-dum.debian.net> References: <20131111235700.GA29987@july> <002901cedf3c$a7e77a00$f7b66e00$%han@samsung.com> <20131112005628.GA2914@khazad-dum.debian.net> <1384990859.20536.4.camel@x230> <20131121114332.GA23710@khazad-dum.debian.net> <20131121143326.GA19773@srcf.ucam.org> <20131122113601.GB27196@khazad-dum.debian.net> <20131122171556.GA15680@srcf.ucam.org> <20131124004015.GA19499@khazad-dum.debian.net> <20131124010257.GA6376@srcf.ucam.org> <20131124035311.GC19499@khazad-dum.debian.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.7.1 (GTK+ 2.18.9; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:53:11 -0200 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Sun, 24 Nov 2013, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:40:15PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > > On Fri, 22 Nov 2013, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > > We have userspace that relies on uevents of type > > > > BACKLIGHT_UPDATE_HOTKEY. I don't know that we have userspace that relies > > > > on uevents of type BACKLIGHT_UPDATE_SYSFS. > > > > > > Any OSD application would have to rely on both uevent types, or it is broken > > > (and to test that, just write a level to sysfs and watch the OSD app fail to > > > tell you about the backlight level change...) > > > > Right, OSDs are supposed to respond to keypresses, not arbitrary changes > > of backlight. If the user's just echoed 8 into brightness, they know > > they set the brightness to 8 - they don't need an OSD to tell them that. > > It is not just the user that sets the brightness. > > Still, if you're sure that all userspace users react only to the hotkey type > of event, removing the sysfs one won't break anything any further. > > But it will be *really* annoying the day we revisit this because someone > started abusing the hotkey uevent and we have to deploy a proper fix (rate > limiting or switching to a proper event report interface that doesn't use > uevents). > > > BACKLIGHT_UPDATE_HOTKEY is when the firmware itself has changed the > > brightness in response to a keypress, and so reporting the keypress > > would result in additional backlight changes. > > Yeah, I know that bug quite well, thinkpads were the first victims of > idiotic feedback event loops caused by braindead userspace. I'm not seeing a lot of consensus here and afaict the v2 patch: --- a/drivers/video/backlight/backlight.c~drivers-video-backlight-backlightc-remove-backlight-sysfs-uevent +++ a/drivers/video/backlight/backlight.c @@ -175,8 +175,6 @@ static ssize_t brightness_store(struct d } mutex_unlock(&bd->ops_lock); - backlight_generate_event(bd, BACKLIGHT_UPDATE_SYSFS); - return rc; } static DEVICE_ATTR_RW(brightness); will still break userspace which relies on BACKLIGHT_UPDATE_SYSFS uevents. I see no way we can guarantee that there is no such userspace so the patch is worrying. Should we instead be looking for a way of avoiding this risk? Say, add a new knob which people can set if they don't want to generate this event? Ugly, but that's the price we pay for mucking it up originally.