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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: George Spelvin <linux@horizon.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Replace /dev/random input mix polynomial with Brent's xorgen?
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 01:49:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131216064950.GC28544@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131216064359.GB28544@thunk.org>

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 01:43:59AM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> I understand that; and as I wrote in my last e-mail, I think that is a
> substantially harder attack than the currently published cache timing
> attacks, which are known plaintext attacks --- that is the attacker
> doesn't know the key, but can choose the plaintext, and view the
> resulting ciphertext.

s/known plaintext attacks/chosen plaintext attacks/

> 
> In this case, the attacker doen't know the key *and* the plaintext; it
> can view its own attempt to read from /dev/random, but from that, it
> needs to be able to figure out the the key and the plaintext (i.e.,
> the entropy pool) in order to be able to predict someone else's output
> of /dev/random.
> 
> If you think this is easier than the currently published cache timing
> attacks, please provide details why you think this is the case,
> preferably in the form of a demonstration....
> 
> 						- Ted
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-16  6:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-14  9:06 Replace /dev/random input mix polynomial with Brent's xorgen? George Spelvin
2013-12-14 19:23 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-12-14 21:55   ` George Spelvin
2013-12-15  2:21     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-12-15  8:34       ` George Spelvin
2013-12-15 22:19         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-12-16  4:22           ` George Spelvin
2013-12-16  6:43             ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-12-16  6:49               ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2013-12-16 15:03               ` George Spelvin
2013-12-15 20:03   ` Greg Price
2013-12-15 22:09     ` George Spelvin
2013-12-16  0:32       ` Greg Price
2013-12-16  6:53         ` George Spelvin

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