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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Frank Filz <ffilzlnx@mindspring.com>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	nfs-ganesha-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	samba-technical@lists.samba.org,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Richard Hipp <drh@hwaci.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 13/14] locks: skip deadlock detection on FL_FILE_PVT locks
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:51:27 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140114215127.GE23999@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVRe2koQAwEiR7p10LqSi4durr9s6uo-1iv_aG-ZNGSkg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 01:26:26PM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> [grr, gmail -- I didn't actually intend to send that.]
> 
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Frank Filz <ffilzlnx@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>>       process 2 requests a write lock, gets -EDEADLK, unlocks and
> >>>       requests a new read lock.  That request succeeds because there
> >>>       is no conflicting lock.  (Note the lock manager had no
> >>>       opportunity to upgrade 1's lock here thanks to the conflict with
> >>>       3's lock.)
> >>
> >> As I understand write lock priority, process 2 requesting a new read lock
> >> would block, once there is a write lock waiter, no further read locks would
> >> be granted that would conflict with that waiting write lock.
> >
> > ...which reminds me -- if anyone implements writer priority, please
> > make it optional (either w/ a writer-priority-ignoring read lock or a
> > non-priority-granting write lock).  I have an application for which
> > writer priority would be really annoying.
> >
> > Even better: Have read-lock-and-wait-for-pending-writers be an explicit new operation.
> >
> > (Writer priority a
> 
> Writer priority can introduce new deadlocks.  Suppose that a reader
> (holding a read lock) starts a subprocess that takes a new read lock
> and waits for that subprocess.  Throw an unrelated process in that
> tries to take a write lock and you have an instant deadlock.

OK, so we definitely can't silently change existing lock behavior to
prioritize writes in this way.

A remaining interesting question is whether we'd like the new locks to
support either behavior or both.

I'd still be inclined to stick to the existing (unprioritized) behavior
just to minimize the scope of the project.

--b.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-14 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-09 14:19 [PATCH v5 00/14] locks: implement "file-private" (aka UNPOSIX) locks Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 01/14] locks: close potential race between setlease and open Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 02/14] locks: clean up comment typo Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 03/14] locks: remove "inline" qualifier from fl_link manipulation functions Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 04/14] locks: add __acquires and __releases annotations to locks_start and locks_stop Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 05/14] locks: eliminate BUG() call when there's an unexpected lock on file close Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 06/14] locks: fix posix lock range overflow handling Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 07/14] locks: consolidate checks for compatible filp->f_mode values in setlk handlers Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 08/14] MAINTAINERS: add Bruce and myself to list of maintainers for file locking code Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 09/14] locks: rename locks_remove_flock to locks_remove_file Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 10/14] locks: make /proc/locks show IS_FILE_PVT locks with a P suffix Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 11/14] locks: report l_pid as -1 for FL_FILE_PVT locks Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 12/14] locks: pass the cmd value to fcntl_getlk/getlk64 Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 13/14] locks: skip deadlock detection on FL_FILE_PVT locks Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 20:25   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-10  0:49     ` Jeff Layton
2014-01-10  0:58       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 19:27         ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-01-14 20:29           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 21:10             ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-01-14 21:17               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 21:25                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-01-14 21:18               ` Jeff Layton
2014-01-14 21:19               ` Frank Filz
2014-01-14 21:24                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 21:26                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 21:34                     ` Frank Filz
2014-01-14 21:51                     ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2014-01-14 22:26                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 21:26                   ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]             ` <CALwJ=MyRRjL9kXMdQgACJ6GDTMoMzMJcckuvKk1NBqJD2G07pg@mail.gmail.com>
2014-01-14 21:24               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 21:30               ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 14/14] locks: add new fcntl cmd values for handling file private locks Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 20:29   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-10  0:55     ` Jeff Layton
2014-01-10  1:01       ` Andy Lutomirski

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