From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932165AbaAVM1h (ORCPT ); Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:27:37 -0500 Received: from mail-ee0-f49.google.com ([74.125.83.49]:44211 "EHLO mail-ee0-f49.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932096AbaAVM1c (ORCPT ); Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:27:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 13:27:28 +0100 From: Ingo Molnar To: Joe Perches Cc: hpa@zytor.com, alan@linux.intel.com, acme@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, peterz@infradead.org, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, tglx@linutronix.de, linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [tip:core/urgent] MAINTAINERS: Restore "L: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" entries Message-ID: <20140122122728.GA8882@gmail.com> References: <1390325069.2472.78.camel@joe-AO722> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1390325069.2472.78.camel@joe-AO722> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org * Joe Perches wrote: > Also, SubmittingPatches had and still has: > > 6) Select your CC (e-mail carbon copy) list. > > Unless you have a reason NOT to do so, CC linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org. > > Arguably, that same info should be added to the > MAINTAINERS header instead of each section. You have cut out my main argument from you reply and have ignored it: >> In hindsight removing all the "L: lkml" entries was probably not >> an overly good idea, not all mechanic duplication should be >> eliminated: in files read by humans it's useful to have 'at a >> glance' summary for all email addresses important to a subsystem's >> maintenance, in a single place, without too many imported rules >> and assumptions. Which is not a very honest way to conduct discussions :-( That section replies to most of your arguments. > > b5472cddbe2c MAINTAINERS: remove L: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org from all but "THE REST" > > > > So it turns out that it's all but intuitive, not all people > > use scripts/get_maintainer.pl to extract maintainer contact info, > > some people read the MAINTAINERS file and see the lack of 'L:' entries > > of various lkml-only subsystems and are sending patches to the > > maintainers only, without Cc:-ing lkml. They arguably have a point. > > shrug, I think it would be better if people > used get_maintainer more often. People are people, they'll use well constructed human-readable sources of information like the MAINTAINERS file just fine. > MAINTAINERS already says: That's irrelevant really, reality tells us that good people are looking at the entries and are using them as-is. For such things technology should adapt to people, not the other way around. > > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS > [] > > @@ -4655,6 +4657,7 @@ F: net/irda/ > > IRQ SUBSYSTEM > > M: Thomas Gleixner > > S: Maintained > > +L: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > > If this is done, can you please standardize on > placing the L: line immediately after the M: line > and before the S: line as was done for all the > other added lines. Good point, fixed. Thanks, Ingo