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From: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com,
	darren@dvhart.com, fweisbec@gmail.com, oleg@redhat.com,
	sbw@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 5/6] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Need barriers() for some control dependencies
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:46:06 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140217214606.GC7941@thin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1392672413-5114-5-git-send-email-paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 01:26:52PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> 
> Current compilers can "speculate" stores in the case where both legs
> of the "if" statement start with identical stores.  Because the stores
> are identical, the compiler knows that the store will unconditionally
> execute regardless of the "if" condition, and so the compiler is within
> its rights to hoist the store to precede the condition.  Such hoisting
> destroys the control-dependency ordering.  This ordering can be restored
> by placing a barrier() at the beginning of each leg of the "if" statement.
> This commit adds this requirement to the control-dependencies section.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

This is starting to become a rather unreasonable level of fighting the
compiler.  ("Threads cannot be implemented as a library" indeed.)  This
doesn't seem like a reasonable thing to require users to do.  Is there
really no other way to cope with this particular bit of "help" from the
compiler?

>  Documentation/memory-barriers.txt | 26 +++++++++++++++++++-------
>  1 file changed, 19 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> index f2668c19807e..adfaca831a90 100644
> --- a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> @@ -608,26 +608,30 @@ as follows:
>  	b = p;  /* BUG: Compiler can reorder!!! */
>  	do_something();
>  
> -The solution is again ACCESS_ONCE(), which preserves the ordering between
> -the load from variable 'a' and the store to variable 'b':
> +The solution is again ACCESS_ONCE() and barrier(), which preserves the
> +ordering between the load from variable 'a' and the store to variable 'b':
>  
>  	q = ACCESS_ONCE(a);
>  	if (q) {
> +		barrier();
>  		ACCESS_ONCE(b) = p;
>  		do_something();
>  	} else {
> +		barrier();
>  		ACCESS_ONCE(b) = p;
>  		do_something_else();
>  	}
>  
> -You could also use barrier() to prevent the compiler from moving
> -the stores to variable 'b', but barrier() would not prevent the
> -compiler from proving to itself that a==1 always, so ACCESS_ONCE()
> -is also needed.
> +The initial ACCESS_ONCE() is required to prevent the compiler from
> +proving the value of 'a', and the pair of barrier() invocations are
> +required to prevent the compiler from pulling the two identical stores
> +to 'b' out from the legs of the "if" statement.
>  
>  It is important to note that control dependencies absolutely require a
>  a conditional.  For example, the following "optimized" version of
> -the above example breaks ordering:
> +the above example breaks ordering, which is why the barrier() invocations
> +are absolutely required if you have identical stores in both legs of
> +the "if" statement:
>  
>  	q = ACCESS_ONCE(a);
>  	ACCESS_ONCE(b) = p;  /* BUG: No ordering vs. load from a!!! */
> @@ -643,9 +647,11 @@ It is of course legal for the prior load to be part of the conditional,
>  for example, as follows:
>  
>  	if (ACCESS_ONCE(a) > 0) {
> +		barrier();
>  		ACCESS_ONCE(b) = q / 2;
>  		do_something();
>  	} else {
> +		barrier();
>  		ACCESS_ONCE(b) = q / 3;
>  		do_something_else();
>  	}
> @@ -659,9 +665,11 @@ the needed conditional.  For example:
>  
>  	q = ACCESS_ONCE(a);
>  	if (q % MAX) {
> +		barrier();
>  		ACCESS_ONCE(b) = p;
>  		do_something();
>  	} else {
> +		barrier();
>  		ACCESS_ONCE(b) = p;
>  		do_something_else();
>  	}
> @@ -723,6 +731,10 @@ In summary:
>        use smb_rmb(), smp_wmb(), or, in the case of prior stores and
>        later loads, smp_mb().
>  
> +  (*) If both legs of the "if" statement begin with identical stores
> +      to the same variable, a barrier() statement is required at the
> +      beginning of each leg of the "if" statement.
> +
>    (*) Control dependencies require at least one run-time conditional
>        between the prior load and the subsequent store, and this
>        conditional must involve the prior load.  If the compiler
> -- 
> 1.8.1.5
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-17 21:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-17 21:26 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/6] Documentation changes for 3.15 Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:26 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/6] documentation: Document call_rcu() safety mechanisms and limitations Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:26   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 2/6] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: ACCESS_ONCE() provides cache coherence Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:40     ` Josh Triplett
2014-02-17 22:52       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:26   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 3/6] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Conditional must use prior load Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:26   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 4/6] Documentation/kernel-per-CPU-kthreads.txt: Workqueue affinity Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:26   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 5/6] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Need barriers() for some control dependencies Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:46     ` Josh Triplett [this message]
2014-02-17 22:58       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-18  0:02         ` Josh Triplett
2014-02-18  0:17           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-18  0:45             ` Josh Triplett
2014-02-18  1:21               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-18  3:29                 ` Josh Triplett
2014-02-18  4:57                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:26   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 6/6] documentation: Fix some inconsistencies in RTFP.txt Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:39   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/6] documentation: Document call_rcu() safety mechanisms and limitations Josh Triplett
2014-02-17 22:52     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:47 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/6] Documentation changes for 3.15 Josh Triplett

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