From: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
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darren@dvhart.com, fweisbec@gmail.com, oleg@redhat.com,
sbw@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 5/6] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Need barriers() for some control dependencies
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:46:06 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140217214606.GC7941@thin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1392672413-5114-5-git-send-email-paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 01:26:52PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>
> Current compilers can "speculate" stores in the case where both legs
> of the "if" statement start with identical stores. Because the stores
> are identical, the compiler knows that the store will unconditionally
> execute regardless of the "if" condition, and so the compiler is within
> its rights to hoist the store to precede the condition. Such hoisting
> destroys the control-dependency ordering. This ordering can be restored
> by placing a barrier() at the beginning of each leg of the "if" statement.
> This commit adds this requirement to the control-dependencies section.
>
> Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
This is starting to become a rather unreasonable level of fighting the
compiler. ("Threads cannot be implemented as a library" indeed.) This
doesn't seem like a reasonable thing to require users to do. Is there
really no other way to cope with this particular bit of "help" from the
compiler?
> Documentation/memory-barriers.txt | 26 +++++++++++++++++++-------
> 1 file changed, 19 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> index f2668c19807e..adfaca831a90 100644
> --- a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> @@ -608,26 +608,30 @@ as follows:
> b = p; /* BUG: Compiler can reorder!!! */
> do_something();
>
> -The solution is again ACCESS_ONCE(), which preserves the ordering between
> -the load from variable 'a' and the store to variable 'b':
> +The solution is again ACCESS_ONCE() and barrier(), which preserves the
> +ordering between the load from variable 'a' and the store to variable 'b':
>
> q = ACCESS_ONCE(a);
> if (q) {
> + barrier();
> ACCESS_ONCE(b) = p;
> do_something();
> } else {
> + barrier();
> ACCESS_ONCE(b) = p;
> do_something_else();
> }
>
> -You could also use barrier() to prevent the compiler from moving
> -the stores to variable 'b', but barrier() would not prevent the
> -compiler from proving to itself that a==1 always, so ACCESS_ONCE()
> -is also needed.
> +The initial ACCESS_ONCE() is required to prevent the compiler from
> +proving the value of 'a', and the pair of barrier() invocations are
> +required to prevent the compiler from pulling the two identical stores
> +to 'b' out from the legs of the "if" statement.
>
> It is important to note that control dependencies absolutely require a
> a conditional. For example, the following "optimized" version of
> -the above example breaks ordering:
> +the above example breaks ordering, which is why the barrier() invocations
> +are absolutely required if you have identical stores in both legs of
> +the "if" statement:
>
> q = ACCESS_ONCE(a);
> ACCESS_ONCE(b) = p; /* BUG: No ordering vs. load from a!!! */
> @@ -643,9 +647,11 @@ It is of course legal for the prior load to be part of the conditional,
> for example, as follows:
>
> if (ACCESS_ONCE(a) > 0) {
> + barrier();
> ACCESS_ONCE(b) = q / 2;
> do_something();
> } else {
> + barrier();
> ACCESS_ONCE(b) = q / 3;
> do_something_else();
> }
> @@ -659,9 +665,11 @@ the needed conditional. For example:
>
> q = ACCESS_ONCE(a);
> if (q % MAX) {
> + barrier();
> ACCESS_ONCE(b) = p;
> do_something();
> } else {
> + barrier();
> ACCESS_ONCE(b) = p;
> do_something_else();
> }
> @@ -723,6 +731,10 @@ In summary:
> use smb_rmb(), smp_wmb(), or, in the case of prior stores and
> later loads, smp_mb().
>
> + (*) If both legs of the "if" statement begin with identical stores
> + to the same variable, a barrier() statement is required at the
> + beginning of each leg of the "if" statement.
> +
> (*) Control dependencies require at least one run-time conditional
> between the prior load and the subsequent store, and this
> conditional must involve the prior load. If the compiler
> --
> 1.8.1.5
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-02-17 21:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-02-17 21:26 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/6] Documentation changes for 3.15 Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:26 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/6] documentation: Document call_rcu() safety mechanisms and limitations Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:26 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 2/6] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: ACCESS_ONCE() provides cache coherence Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:40 ` Josh Triplett
2014-02-17 22:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:26 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 3/6] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Conditional must use prior load Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:26 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 4/6] Documentation/kernel-per-CPU-kthreads.txt: Workqueue affinity Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:26 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 5/6] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Need barriers() for some control dependencies Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:46 ` Josh Triplett [this message]
2014-02-17 22:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-18 0:02 ` Josh Triplett
2014-02-18 0:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-18 0:45 ` Josh Triplett
2014-02-18 1:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-18 3:29 ` Josh Triplett
2014-02-18 4:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:26 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 6/6] documentation: Fix some inconsistencies in RTFP.txt Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:39 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/6] documentation: Document call_rcu() safety mechanisms and limitations Josh Triplett
2014-02-17 22:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-17 21:47 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/6] Documentation changes for 3.15 Josh Triplett
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