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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Simo Sorce <ssorce@redhat.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lpoetter@redhat.com, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, kay@redhat.com,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PASSCGROUP to enable passing cgroup path
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:25:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140416182530.GB550@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVUw5+vCCONy1VTXpskbY_eZFo2CtbehwV5Mhj4d4+icw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:13:31AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:

[..]
> > Ok, so passing cgroup information is not necessarily a problem as long
> > as it is not used for authentication. So say somebody is just logging
> > all the client request and which cgroup client was in, that should not
> > be a problem.
> 
> Do you consider correct attribution of logging messages to be
> important?  If so, then this is a kind of authentication, albeit one
> where the impact of screwing it up is a bit lower.

So not passing cgroup information makes attribution more correct. Just
logging of information is authentication how? Both kernel and user space
log message into /var/log/messages and kernel messages are prefixed with
"kernel". So this somehow becomes are sort of authentication. I don't
get it.

> 
> >
> > I agree that before somebody uses cgroup information for authentication
> > purposes, may be there needs to be a bigger debate whether this info
> > can be used safely for authentication purposes or not and in what
> > circumstances it is safe to use for authentication.
> 
> I thought that the original intended user of these patches was SSSD.
> I have no idea what SSSD wanted them for, but I think it may better.

SSSD wanted to use this information too. And I think this is a good time 
to revisit and discuss can cgroup information be used safely for
authentication or not.

> 
> >
> > But that does not mean that API to pass the cgroup information around is
> > wrong.
> >
> 
> It may not be wrong, but it might be extremely difficult or impossible
> to use it safely.  I think that's something to avoid.

Atleast I can't see a problem with logging example yet.

Thanks
Vivek

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-16 18:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-15 21:15 [PATCH 0/2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP and SO_PASSCGROUP socket options Vivek Goyal
2014-04-15 21:15 ` [PATCH 1/2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP Vivek Goyal
2014-04-15 21:54   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16  0:22     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-15 21:15 ` [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PASSCGROUP to enable passing cgroup path Vivek Goyal
2014-04-15 21:53   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-15 23:09     ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-16  0:20     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16  1:05       ` David Miller
2014-04-16  3:47       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 10:17         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 14:34           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 15:10             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 12:57         ` David Miller
2014-04-16 14:37           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 16:13             ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-16 16:21               ` Tejun Heo
2014-04-16 16:54                 ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-16 16:31               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 17:02                 ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-16 17:29                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 17:34                     ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-16 17:53                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 18:36                     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 18:40                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 18:51                         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 18:59                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 18:06                 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 18:13                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 18:25                     ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2014-04-16 18:35                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 19:06                         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 19:13                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 19:39                             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 20:24                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 13:41                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 18:59                     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 15:41                       ` Daniel J Walsh
2014-04-17 16:04                         ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 16:11                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 16:24                             ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 16:37                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 16:48                                 ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 16:55                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 17:12                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 17:26                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 17:33                                         ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 17:35                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 17:47                                             ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 18:05                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 18:23                                             ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 18:33                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 18:50                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 18:57                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 19:06                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 19:15                                                     ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 19:19                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 19:10                                                 ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 19:16                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 19:46                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-21 15:03                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-21 15:47                                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-23 15:07                                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 15:37                                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-23 16:01                                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 19:23                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 17:52                                         ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 18:04                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 18:31                                             ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 16:38                             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 16:05                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 16:12                         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 16:45         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 17:29           ` David Miller
2014-04-24 20:34             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-24 20:48               ` David Miller
2014-04-24 21:04                 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-24 21:11                   ` David Miller
2014-04-25  0:29                     ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-22 20:05 ` [PATCH 0/2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP and SO_PASSCGROUP socket options David Miller
2014-04-22 20:08   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-22 20:29     ` David Miller
2014-04-22 20:31       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-22 20:32         ` David Miller
2014-04-23  0:37           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-23 19:05         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 20:53           ` Daniel J Walsh
2014-04-24 13:01             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 15:55   ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 16:16     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 17:21     ` Andy Lutomirski

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