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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
Cc: Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jirislaby@gmail.com,
	Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz>, Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 09/16] kgr: mark task_safe in some kthreads
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 17:02:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140501210242.GA28948@mtj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1405012206430.29834@pobox.suse.cz>

Hello, Jiri.

On Thu, May 01, 2014 at 10:17:44PM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> I agree that this expectation might really somewhat implicit and is not 
> probably properly documented anywhere. The basic observation is "whenever 
> kthread_should_stop() is being called, all data structures are in a 
> consistent state and don't need any further updates in order to achieve 
> consistency, because we can exit the loop immediately here", as 
> kthread_should_stop() is the very last thing every freezable kernel thread 

But kthread_should_stop() doesn't necessarily imply that "we can exit
the loop *immediately*" at all.  It just indicates that it should
terminate in finite amount of time.  I don't think it'd be too
difficult to find cases where kthreads do some stuff before returning
after testing kthread_should_stop().  e.g. after pending changes,
workqueue rescuers do one final loop over pending work items after
kthread_should_stop() tests positive to ensure empty queue on exit.
Please note that there's no expectation of discontinuity over the
test.  The users may carry over any state across the test as they see
fit.

> is calling before starting a new iteration.
> 
> For the sake of collecting data points -- do you happen to have any 
> counter-example to the assumption?

Just grep for kthread_should_stop() and look for the ones which
doesn't immediately perform return?  I think there are more which
don't return *immediately*.  You'd have to audit each and everyone to
determine that they don't carry over states across the test.  Most
will hopefully be trivial but not all.  More importantly, sounds like
a maintenance nightmare to me without any means to guarantee, or even
reasonably increase, correctness.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-01 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-30 14:30 [RFC 00/16] kGraft Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 01/16] ftrace: Add function to find fentry of function Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:48   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-30 14:58     ` Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 02/16] ftrace: Make ftrace_is_dead available globally Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 03/16] kgr: initial code Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:56   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-30 14:57     ` Jiri Slaby
2014-05-01 20:20   ` Andi Kleen
2014-05-01 20:37     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-14  9:28   ` Aravinda Prasad
2014-05-14 10:12     ` Jiri Slaby
2014-05-14 10:41       ` Aravinda Prasad
2014-05-14 10:44         ` Jiri Slaby
2014-05-14 11:19           ` Aravinda Prasad
2014-05-20 11:36     ` Jiri Slaby
2014-05-21 18:28       ` Aravinda Prasad
2014-05-26  8:50       ` Jiri Kosina
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 04/16] kgr: add testing kgraft patch Jiri Slaby
2014-05-06 11:03   ` Pavel Machek
2014-05-12 12:50     ` Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 05/16] kgr: update Kconfig documentation Jiri Slaby
2014-05-03 14:32   ` Randy Dunlap
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 06/16] kgr: add Documentation Jiri Slaby
2014-05-06 11:03   ` Pavel Machek
2014-05-09  9:31     ` kgr: dealing with optimalizations? (was Re: [RFC 06/16] kgr: add Documentat)ion Pavel Machek
2014-05-09 12:22       ` Michael Matz
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 07/16] kgr: trigger the first check earlier Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 08/16] kgr: sched.h, introduce kgr_task_safe helper Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 09/16] kgr: mark task_safe in some kthreads Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 15:49   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-04-30 16:55   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-04-30 18:33     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2014-04-30 19:07       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-01 14:24   ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-01 20:17     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-01 21:02       ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2014-05-01 21:09         ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-14 14:59           ` Jiri Slaby
2014-05-14 15:15             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2014-05-14 15:30               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-14 16:32               ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-15  3:53                 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-15  4:06                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-15  4:46                     ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-15  4:50                       ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-15  5:04                         ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-15  5:09                           ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-15  5:32                             ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-15  6:05                               ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-15  6:32                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 10/16] kgr: kthreads support Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 11/16] kgr: handle irqs Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 12/16] kgr: add tools Jiri Slaby
2014-05-06 11:03   ` Pavel Machek
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 13/16] kgr: add MAINTAINERS entry Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 14/16] kgr: x86: refuse to build without fentry support Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 15/16] kgr: add procfs interface for per-process 'kgr_in_progress' Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 16/16] kgr: make a per-process 'in progress' flag a single bit Jiri Slaby

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