From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Preeti Murthy <preeti.lkml@gmail.com>
Cc: Alex Shi <alex.shi@linaro.org>,
Morten Rasmussen <Morten.Rasmussen@arm.com>,
mingo@redhat.com, Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
wangyun@linux.vnet.ibm.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Preeti U Murthy <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RESEND PATCH V5 0/8] remove cpu_load idx
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 13:39:36 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140506113936.GF11096@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM4v1pPH54OHehb1i-esXTMsGJ-n7ck3V8yDK_rwajVCSmdU1A@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, May 06, 2014 at 03:24:13PM +0530, Preeti Murthy wrote:
> Hi Morten, Peter, Alex,
>
> In a similar context, I noticed that /proc/loadavg makes use of
> avenrun[] array which keeps track of the history of the global
> load average. This however makes use of the sum of
> nr_running + nr_uninterruptible per cpu. Why are we not
> using the cpu_load[] array here which also keeps track
> of the history of per-cpu load and then return a sum of it?
Entirely different kind of 'load'. Note that you cannot use
->nr_uninterruptible per-cpu, also note that sched/proc.c doesn't.
> Using nr_running to show the global load average would
> be misleading when entire load balancing is being done on the
> basis of the history of cfs_rq->runnable_load_avg/cpu_load[]
> right? IOW, to the best of my understanding we do not use
> nr_running anywhere to directly determine cpu load in the kernel.
>
> My idea was that the global/per_cpu load that we reflect via
> proc/sys interfaces must be consistent. I haven't really
> looked at what /proc/schedstat, /proc/stat, top are all reading
> from. But /proc/loadavg is reading out global nr_running +
> waiting tasks when this will not give us the accurate picture
> of the system load especially when there are many short running
> tasks.
Nobody said /proc/loadavg is a sane number, but its what it is and since
its a global number its entirely unsuited for balancing -- not to
mention all other reasons its crap.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-05-06 11:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-16 2:43 [RESEND PATCH V5 0/8] remove cpu_load idx Alex Shi
2014-04-16 2:43 ` [PATCH V5 1/8] sched: shortcut to remove load_idx Alex Shi
2014-04-16 2:43 ` [PATCH V5 2/8] sched: remove rq->cpu_load[load_idx] array Alex Shi
2014-04-16 2:43 ` [PATCH V5 3/8] sched: remove source_load and target_load Alex Shi
2014-04-24 14:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-16 2:43 ` [PATCH V5 4/8] sched: remove LB_BIAS Alex Shi
2014-04-16 2:43 ` [PATCH V5 5/8] sched: clean up cpu_load update Alex Shi
2014-04-16 2:43 ` [PATCH V5 6/8] sched: rewrite update_cpu_load_nohz Alex Shi
2014-04-16 2:43 ` [PATCH V5 7/8] sched: remove rq->cpu_load and rq->nr_load_updates Alex Shi
2014-04-16 2:43 ` [PATCH V5 8/8] sched: rename update_*_cpu_load Alex Shi
2014-04-24 16:20 ` [RESEND PATCH V5 0/8] remove cpu_load idx Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-29 15:04 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-09 16:30 ` Alex Shi
2014-05-01 0:41 ` Alex Shi
2014-05-06 9:54 ` Preeti Murthy
2014-05-06 11:39 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-05-08 9:10 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-04-29 14:52 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-04-30 9:24 ` Alex Shi
2014-05-06 8:33 ` Alex Shi
2014-05-06 11:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-09 16:41 ` Alex Shi
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