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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <klamm@yandex-team.ru>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 09:49:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140528134905.GF2878@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140528121023.GA10735@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 02:10:23PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> Hi Andrew, Johannes,
> 
> On Mon 28-04-14 14:26:41, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > This patchset introduces such low limit that is functionally similar
> > to a minimum guarantee. Memcgs which are under their lowlimit are not
> > considered eligible for the reclaim (both global and hardlimit) unless
> > all groups under the reclaimed hierarchy are below the low limit when
> > all of them are considered eligible.
> > 
> > The previous version of the patchset posted as a RFC
> > (http://marc.info/?l=linux-mm&m=138677140628677&w=2) suggested a
> > hard guarantee without any fallback. More discussions led me to
> > reconsidering the default behavior and come up a more relaxed one. The
> > hard requirement can be added later based on a use case which really
> > requires. It would be controlled by memory.reclaim_flags knob which
> > would specify whether to OOM or fallback (default) when all groups are
> > bellow low limit.
> 
> It seems that we are not in a full agreement about the default behavior
> yet. Johannes seems to be more for hard guarantee while I would like to
> see the weaker approach first and move to the stronger model later.
> Johannes, is this absolutely no-go for you? Do you think it is seriously
> handicapping the semantic of the new knob?

Well we certainly can't start OOMing where we previously didn't,
that's called a regression and automatically limits our options.

Any unexpected OOMs will be much more acceptable from a new feature
than from configuration that previously "worked" and then stopped.

> My main motivation for the weaker model is that it is hard to see all
> the corner case right now and once we hit them I would like to see a
> graceful fallback rather than fatal action like OOM killer. Besides that
> the usaceses I am mostly interested in are OK with fallback when the
> alternative would be OOM killer. I also feel that introducing a knob
> with a weaker semantic which can be made stronger later is a sensible
> way to go.

We can't make it stronger, but we can make it weaker.  Stronger is the
simpler definition, it's simpler code, your usecases are fine with it,
Greg and I prefer it too.  I don't even know what we are arguing about
here.

Patch applies on top of mmots.

---
>From ced6ac70bb274cdaa4c5d78b53420d84fb803dd7 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 09:37:05 -0400
Subject: [patch] mm: vmscan: treat memcg low limit as hard guarantee

Don't hide low limit configuration problems behind weak semantics and
quietly breach the set-up guarantees.

Make it simple: memcg guarantees are equivalent to mlocked memory,
anonymous memory without swap, kernel memory, pinned memory etc. -
unreclaimable.  If no memory can be reclaimed without otherwise
breaching guarantees, it's a real problem, so let the machine OOM and
dump the memory state in that situation.

Signed-off-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
---
 include/linux/memcontrol.h |  5 -----
 mm/memcontrol.c            | 15 ---------------
 mm/vmscan.c                | 41 +++++------------------------------------
 3 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 56 deletions(-)

diff --git a/include/linux/memcontrol.h b/include/linux/memcontrol.h
index a5cf853129ec..c3a53cbb88eb 100644
--- a/include/linux/memcontrol.h
+++ b/include/linux/memcontrol.h
@@ -94,7 +94,6 @@ bool task_in_mem_cgroup(struct task_struct *task,
 
 extern bool mem_cgroup_within_guarantee(struct mem_cgroup *memcg,
 		struct mem_cgroup *root);
-extern bool mem_cgroup_all_within_guarantee(struct mem_cgroup *root);
 
 extern struct mem_cgroup *try_get_mem_cgroup_from_page(struct page *page);
 extern struct mem_cgroup *mem_cgroup_from_task(struct task_struct *p);
@@ -297,10 +296,6 @@ static inline bool mem_cgroup_within_guarantee(struct mem_cgroup *memcg,
 {
 	return false;
 }
-static inline bool mem_cgroup_all_within_guarantee(struct mem_cgroup *root)
-{
-	return false;
-}
 
 static inline struct mem_cgroup *try_get_mem_cgroup_from_page(struct page *page)
 {
diff --git a/mm/memcontrol.c b/mm/memcontrol.c
index 4df733e13727..85fdef53fcf1 100644
--- a/mm/memcontrol.c
+++ b/mm/memcontrol.c
@@ -2788,7 +2788,6 @@ static struct mem_cgroup *mem_cgroup_lookup(unsigned short id)
  *
  * The given group is within its reclaim gurantee if it is below its low limit
  * or the same applies for any parent up the hierarchy until root (including).
- * Such a group might be excluded from the reclaim.
  */
 bool mem_cgroup_within_guarantee(struct mem_cgroup *memcg,
 		struct mem_cgroup *root)
@@ -2801,25 +2800,11 @@ bool mem_cgroup_within_guarantee(struct mem_cgroup *memcg,
 			return true;
 		if (memcg == root)
 			break;
-
 	} while ((memcg = parent_mem_cgroup(memcg)));
 
 	return false;
 }
 
-bool mem_cgroup_all_within_guarantee(struct mem_cgroup *root)
-{
-	struct mem_cgroup *iter;
-
-	for_each_mem_cgroup_tree(iter, root)
-		if (!mem_cgroup_within_guarantee(iter, root)) {
-			mem_cgroup_iter_break(root, iter);
-			return false;
-		}
-
-	return true;
-}
-
 struct mem_cgroup *try_get_mem_cgroup_from_page(struct page *page)
 {
 	struct mem_cgroup *memcg = NULL;
diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
index a8ffe4e616fe..c72493e8fb53 100644
--- a/mm/vmscan.c
+++ b/mm/vmscan.c
@@ -2244,20 +2244,14 @@ static inline bool should_continue_reclaim(struct zone *zone,
 }
 
 /**
- * __shrink_zone - shrinks a given zone
+ * shrink_zone - shrinks a given zone
  *
  * @zone: zone to shrink
  * @sc: scan control with additional reclaim parameters
- * @honor_memcg_guarantee: do not reclaim memcgs which are within their memory
- * guarantee
- *
- * Returns the number of reclaimed memcgs.
  */
-static unsigned __shrink_zone(struct zone *zone, struct scan_control *sc,
-		bool honor_memcg_guarantee)
+static void shrink_zone(struct zone *zone, struct scan_control *sc)
 {
 	unsigned long nr_reclaimed, nr_scanned;
-	unsigned nr_scanned_groups = 0;
 
 	do {
 		struct mem_cgroup *root = sc->target_mem_cgroup;
@@ -2274,20 +2268,16 @@ static unsigned __shrink_zone(struct zone *zone, struct scan_control *sc,
 		do {
 			struct lruvec *lruvec;
 
-			/* Memcg might be protected from the reclaim */
-			if (honor_memcg_guarantee &&
-					mem_cgroup_within_guarantee(memcg, root)) {
+			/* Don't reclaim guaranteed memory */
+			if (mem_cgroup_within_guarantee(memcg, root)) {
 				/*
-				 * It would be more optimal to skip the memcg
-				 * subtree now but we do not have a memcg iter
-				 * helper for that. Anyone?
+				 * XXX: skip the entire subtree here
 				 */
 				memcg = mem_cgroup_iter(root, memcg, &reclaim);
 				continue;
 			}
 
 			lruvec = mem_cgroup_zone_lruvec(zone, memcg);
-			nr_scanned_groups++;
 
 			sc->swappiness = mem_cgroup_swappiness(memcg);
 			shrink_lruvec(lruvec, sc);
@@ -2316,27 +2306,6 @@ static unsigned __shrink_zone(struct zone *zone, struct scan_control *sc,
 
 	} while (should_continue_reclaim(zone, sc->nr_reclaimed - nr_reclaimed,
 					 sc->nr_scanned - nr_scanned, sc));
-
-	return nr_scanned_groups;
-}
-
-static void shrink_zone(struct zone *zone, struct scan_control *sc)
-{
-	bool honor_guarantee = true;
-
-	while (!__shrink_zone(zone, sc, honor_guarantee)) {
-		/*
-		 * The previous round of reclaim didn't find anything to scan
-		 * because
-		 * a) the whole reclaimed hierarchy is within guarantee so
-		 *    we fallback to ignore the guarantee because other option
-		 *    would be the OOM
-		 * b) multiple reclaimers are racing and so the first round
-		 *    should be retried
-		 */
-		if (mem_cgroup_all_within_guarantee(sc->target_mem_cgroup))
-			honor_guarantee = false;
-	}
 }
 
 /* Returns true if compaction should go ahead for a high-order request */
-- 
1.9.3


  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-28 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-28 12:26 [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 1/4] memcg, mm: introduce lowlimit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 22:55   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02  9:36     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 12:07       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 13:01         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 14:15           ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:04             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 15:11               ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:34                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 15:48                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:58                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:58       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 16:49         ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 22:00           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-05 14:21             ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-19 16:18               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:15               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-11 16:08                 ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]             ` <20140506132932.GF19914@cmpxchg.org>
2014-05-06 14:32               ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 15:21                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 16:12                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 16:51                     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 18:30                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:55                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 2/4] memcg: Allow setting low_limit Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 3/4] memcg, doc: clarify global vs. limit reclaims Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 23:03   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02  9:43     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:56       ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 4/4] memcg: Document memory.low_limit_in_bytes Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 22:57   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02  9:46     ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 15:46 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Roman Gushchin
2014-04-29  7:42   ` Greg Thelen
2014-04-29 10:50     ` Roman Gushchin
2014-04-29 12:54       ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 21:52 ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-30 22:49   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 12:03   ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 21:59 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-02 11:22   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 12:10 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 13:49   ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2014-05-28 14:21     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 15:28       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 15:54         ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 16:33           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-03 11:07             ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-03 14:22               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-04 14:46                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-04 15:44                   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-04 19:18                     ` Hugh Dickins
2014-06-04 21:45                       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 14:51                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 16:10                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 16:43                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 18:23                               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-06 14:44                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 14:46                                   ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 14:46                                     ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow hard guarantee mode for low limit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 15:29                                       ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-06 15:34                                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-09  8:30                                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-09 13:54                                           ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-09 22:52                                       ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-10 16:57                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-10 22:16                                           ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-11  7:57                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11  8:00                                             ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-11  8:00                                               ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow guarantee reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:36                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-12 13:22                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-12 13:56                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-12 14:22                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-12 16:17                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 12:59                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 13:57                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 14:04                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 14:12                                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 14:29                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 14:40                                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-12 16:51                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-16 13:22                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:20                                               ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Johannes Weiner
2014-06-11 16:14                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 12:31                                             ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow hard guarantee mode for low limit reclaim Tejun Heo
2014-06-11 14:11                                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:34                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-05 19:36                       ` [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Tejun Heo
2014-06-05 14:32                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 15:43                       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 16:09                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 16:46                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 16:17         ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-03 11:09           ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]             ` <CAHH2K0YuEFdPRVrCfoxYwP5b0GK4cZzL5K3ByubW+087BKcsUg@mail.gmail.com>
2014-06-03 14:44               ` Michal Hocko

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