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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: John David Anglin <dave.anglin@bell.net>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	jejb@parisc-linux.org, deller@gmx.de,
	linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	chegu_vinod@hp.com, Waiman.Long@hp.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	riel@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, davidlohr@hp.com,
	hpa@zytor.com, andi@firstfloor.org, aswin@hp.com,
	scott.norton@hp.com, Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fix a race condition in cancelable mcs spinlocks
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:46:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140601214657.GM22231@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140601213003.GG16155@laptop.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Sun, Jun 01, 2014 at 11:30:03PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 01, 2014 at 04:46:26PM -0400, John David Anglin wrote:
> > On 1-Jun-14, at 3:20 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > 
> > >>If you write to some variable with ACCESS_ONCE and use cmpxchg or xchg
> > >>at
> > >>the same time, you break it. ACCESS_ONCE doesn't take the hashed
> > >>spinlock,
> > >>so, in this case, cmpxchg or xchg isn't really atomic at all.
> > >
> > >And this is really the first place in the kernel that breaks like this?
> > >I've been using xchg() and cmpxchg() without such consideration for
> > >quite a while.
> > 
> > I believe Mikulas is correct.  Even in a controlled situation where a
> > cmpxchg operation
> > is used to implement pthread_spin_lock() in userspace, we found recently
> > that the lock
> > must be released with a  cmpxchg operation and not a simple write on SMP
> > systems.
> > There is a race in the cache operations or instruction ordering that's not
> > present with
> > the ldcw instruction.
> 
> Oh, I'm not arguing that. He's quite right that its broken, but this
> form of atomic ops is also quite insane and unusual. Most sane machines
> don't have this problem.
> 
> My main concern is how are we going to avoid breaking parisc (and I
> think sparc32, which is similarly retarded) in the future; we should
> invest in machinery to find and detect these things.

I cannot see an easy way to fix this by making ACCESS_ONCE() arch-dependent.
But could the compiler help out by recognizing ACCESS_ONCE() and generating
the needed code for it on sparc and pa-risc?

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-01 21:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-01 17:53 [PATCH] fix a race condition in cancelable mcs spinlocks Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-01 19:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-01 20:46   ` John David Anglin
2014-06-01 21:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-01 21:46       ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2014-06-02  9:19       ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 13:24         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 15:57           ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 16:39             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 19:56       ` James Bottomley
2014-06-03  7:56         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 12:53           ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 13:58     ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 14:02       ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 15:39         ` John David Anglin
2014-06-02 10:34   ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 14:14 ` Waiman Long
2014-06-02 15:27   ` Jason Low
2014-06-02 16:00 ` [PATCH v2] introduce atomic_pointer to " Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 16:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-02 16:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-02 16:46       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 17:33       ` Waiman Long
2014-06-02 20:05         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-02 20:22           ` Linus Torvalds
2014-06-02 21:02             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 21:12               ` Linus Torvalds
2014-06-02 22:08                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 22:44                   ` Eric Dumazet
2014-06-02 23:17                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 23:53                       ` Eric Dumazet
2014-06-03  0:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 22:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2014-06-03 16:48                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-03  7:54             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-02 20:24           ` James Bottomley
2014-06-02 16:43     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 17:14       ` James Bottomley
2014-06-02 17:29       ` Waiman Long
2014-06-02 17:09     ` Linus Torvalds
2014-06-02 17:12       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-06-02 17:42         ` Waiman Long
2014-06-02 20:46       ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-02 20:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-06-02 21:12           ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-03  7:36             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 11:14               ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-03 13:24                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 14:18                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-06-03 14:07               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-03 15:09                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:56                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-03  7:20         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-02 21:03       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-06 15:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-06 15:15         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-06 15:42         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-06-02 16:50   ` Jason Low
2014-06-02 17:03     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-02 17:25     ` Waiman Long
2014-06-02 17:38       ` H. Peter Anvin

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