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From: Yuyang Du <yuyang.du@intel.com>
To: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Dirk Brandewie <dirk.brandewie@gmail.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"vincent.guittot@linaro.org" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"daniel.lezcano@linaro.org" <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	"preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com" <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <Dietmar.Eggemann@arm.com>,
	"len.brown@intel.com" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	"jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com" <jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 06/16] arm: topology: Define TC2 sched energy and provide it to scheduler
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 10:15:16 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140609021516.GE22261@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140609085952.GZ29593@e103034-lin>

On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 09:59:52AM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> IMHO, the per-entity load-tracking does a fair job representing the task
> compute capacity requirements. Sure it isn't perfect, particularly not
> for memory bound tasks, but it is way better than not having any task
> history at all, which was the case before.
> 
> The story is more or less the same for performance scaling. It is not
> taken into account at all in the scheduler at the moment. cpufreq is
> actually messing up load-balancing decisions after task load-tracking
> was introduced. Adding performance scaling awareness should only make
> things better even if predictions are not accurate for all workloads. I
> don't see why it shouldn't given the current state of energy-awareness
> in the scheduler.
> 

Optimized IPC is good for sure (with regard to pstate adjustment). My point is
how it is practical to rightly correlate to scheduler and pstate
power-efficiency. Put another way, with fixed workload, you really can do such
a thing by offline running the workload several times to conclude with a very
power-efficient solution which takes IPC into account. Actually, lots of
people have done that in papers/reports (for SPECXXX or TPC-X for example). But
I can't see how online realtime workload can be done like it.

> > Currently, all freq governors take CPU utilization (load%) as the indicator
> > (target), which can server both: workload and perf scaling.
> 
> With a bunch of hacks on top to make it more reactive because the
> current cpu utilization metric is not responsive enough to deal with
> workload changes. That is at least the case for ondemand and interactive
> (in Android).
> 

To what end it is not responsive enough? And how it is related here?

Thanks,
Yuyang

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-09 10:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-23 18:16 [RFC PATCH 00/16] sched: Energy cost model for energy-aware scheduling Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 01/16] sched: Documentation for scheduler energy cost model Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-05  8:49   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-05 11:35     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-05 15:02       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 02/16] sched: Introduce CONFIG_SCHED_ENERGY Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-08  6:03   ` Henrik Austad
2014-06-09 10:20     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-10  9:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-10 10:06         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-10 10:23           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-10 11:17             ` Henrik Austad
2014-06-10 12:19               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-10 11:24             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-10 12:24               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-10 14:41                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 03/16] sched: Introduce sd energy data structures Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 04/16] sched: Allocate and initialize sched energy Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 05/16] sched: Add sd energy procfs interface Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 06/16] arm: topology: Define TC2 sched energy and provide it to scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-30 12:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-02 14:15     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 11:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 13:49         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 11:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 15:42     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 16:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-06 13:15         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-06 13:43           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-06 14:29             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-12 15:05               ` Vince Weaver
2014-06-03 11:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 16:02     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 17:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 21:56         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-05  6:52           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-05 15:03             ` Dirk Brandewie
2014-06-05 20:29               ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-06  8:05                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-06  0:35                   ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-06 10:50                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-06 12:13                       ` Ingo Molnar
2014-06-06 12:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2014-06-06 14:11                           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-07  2:33                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-09  8:27                             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-09 13:22                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-11 11:02                                 ` Eduardo Valentin
2014-06-11 11:42                                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-11 11:43                                     ` Eduardo Valentin
2014-06-11 13:37                                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-07 23:53                         ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-07 23:26                       ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-09  8:59                         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-09  2:15                           ` Yuyang Du [this message]
2014-06-10 10:16                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-10 17:01                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-10 18:35                           ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-06 16:27                     ` Jacob Pan
2014-06-06 13:03         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-07  2:52         ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 07/16] sched: Introduce system-wide sched_energy Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 08/16] sched: Introduce SD_SHARE_CAP_STATES sched_domain flag Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 09/16] sched, cpufreq: Introduce current cpu compute capacity into scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 10/16] sched, cpufreq: Current compute capacity hack for ARM TC2 Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 11/16] sched: Energy model functions Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 12/16] sched: Task wakeup tracking Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 13/16] sched: Take task wakeups into account in energy estimates Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 14/16] sched: Use energy model in select_idle_sibling Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 15/16] sched: Use energy to guide wakeup task placement Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 16/16] sched: Disable wake_affine to broaden the scope of wakeup target cpus Morten Rasmussen

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