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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com>,
	Romanov Arya <romanov.arya@gmail.com>,
	Pranith Kumar <bobby.prani@gmail.com>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/1] kernel/rcu/tree.c: simplify force_quiescent_state()
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 10:33:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140623173308.GA3550@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140623155750.GD4603@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 08:57:50AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:28:50PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:37:17AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > Oh, and to answer the implicit question...  A properly configured 4096-CPU
> > > system will have two funnel levels, with 64 nodes at the leaf level
> > > and a single node at the root level.  If the system is not properly
> > > configured, it will have three funnel levels.  The maximum number of
> > > funnel levels is four, which would handle more than four million CPUs
> > > (sixteen million if properly configured), so we should be good.  ;-)
> > > 
> > > The larger numbers of levels are intended strictly for testing.  I set
> > > CONFIG_RCU_FANOUT_LEAF=2 and CONFIG_RCU_FANOUT=2 on a 16-CPU system just
> > > to make sure that I am testing something uglier than what will be running
> > > in production.  A large system should have both of these set to 64,
> > > though this requires also booting with skew_tick=1 as well.
> > 
> > Right, and I think we talked about this before; the first thing one
> > should do is align the RCU fanout masks with the actual machine
> > topology. Because currently they can be all over the place.
> 
> And we also talked before about how it would make a lot more sense to
> align the CPU numbering with the actual machine topology, as that would
> fix the problem in one place.  But either way, in the particular case
> of the RCU fanout, does anyone have any real data showing that this is
> a real problem?  Given that the rcu_node accesses are quite a ways off
> of any fastpath, I remain skeptical.

And one way to test for this is to set CONFIG_RCU_FANOUT to the number of
cores in a socket (or to the number of hardware threads per socket for
systems that number their hardware threads consecutively), then specify
CONFIG_RCU_FANOUT_EXACT=y.  This will align the rcu_node structures with
the sockets.  If the number of cores/threads per socket is too large,
you can of course use a smaller number that exactly divides the number
of cores/threads per socket.

If this does turn out to improve performance, I would be happy to create
a boot parameter for CONFIG_RCU_FANOUT, perhaps also some mechanism to
allow the architecture to tell RCU what the fanout should be.

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-23 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-17  2:55 [RFC PATCH 1/1] kernel/rcu/tree.c: simplify force_quiescent_state() Pranith Kumar
2014-06-17 14:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-17 16:01   ` Romanov Arya
2014-06-17 16:56     ` Waiman Long
2014-06-17 17:11       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-17 17:37         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-17 20:06           ` Waiman Long
2014-06-23 10:28           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-23 15:57             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-23 17:33               ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2014-06-23 18:57                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-23 19:05                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-17 17:10     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-06-17 18:22       ` Pranith Kumar

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