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From: Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>
To: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Virtualization List <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"# 3.4.x" <stable@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] virtio: rng: ensure reads happen after successful probe
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 08:08:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140709120823.GN13433@titan.lakedaemon.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140707063409.GD27024@grmbl.mre>

On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 12:04:09PM +0530, Amit Shah wrote:
> On (Sun) 06 Jul 2014 [23:09:49], Kees Cook wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > On (Sun) 06 Jul 2014 [21:38:36], Kees Cook wrote:
> > >> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >> > The hwrng core asks for random data in the hwrng_register() call itself
> > >> > from commit d9e7972619.  This doesn't play well with virtio -- the
> > >> > DRIVER_OK bit is only set by virtio core on a successful probe, and
> > >> > we're not yet out of our probe routine when this call is made.  This
> > >> > causes the host to not acknowledge any requests we put in the virtqueue,
> > >> > and the insmod or kernel boot process just waits for data to arrive from
> > >> > the host, which never happens.
> > >>
> > >> Doesn't this mean that virtio-rng won't ever contribute entropy to the system?
> > >
> > > The initial randomness?  Yes.  But it'll start contributing entropy as
> > > soon as it's used as the current source.
> > 
> > How does that happen? I don't see an init function defined for it?
> 
> I mean the regular usage; not the initial randomness patch that you
> added.
> 
> Initial randomness from virtio-rng currently won't be sourced.  That's
> no different from the way things were before your patch; and I can't
> think of a way to make that happen for now.

Yes, but this is a critical case.  There are three common scenarios
where long term keys are generated in entropy-deprived states:

  - boot to a Linux Install CD, encrypt system during install
  - first boot of a Linux-based embedded router, need SSL keys
  - first boot of a Linux VM, need SSH host keys

We have the opportunity to make the third option suck less if we can get
this right.

> virtio's probe() has to finish before communication with the host can
> start.  If a virtio-rng device is the only hwrng in the system (very
> likely in a guest), it's almost guaranteed that hwrng_init() won't be
> called after hwrng_register() completes (as it would have already been
> called and the virtio-rng device will have become the current_rng).

Well, I'm confused.  virtio-rng has no init function defined.  So
hwrng_init() will just return zero.

I think the basic question is: Where in the virtio-rng driver does it
execute init-style code?  And why isn't that in an init function?

Should we create a small init function that simply checks this DRIVER_OK
bit?

thx,

Jason.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-09 12:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-05  5:34 [PATCH v2 0/2] hwrng, virtio-rng: init-time fixes Amit Shah
2014-07-05  5:34 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] hwrng: fetch randomness only after device init Amit Shah
2014-07-07  4:41   ` Kees Cook
2014-07-07  5:53     ` Amit Shah
2014-07-07  6:04       ` Amit Shah
2014-07-07  6:39         ` Amit Shah
2014-07-09 11:53   ` Jason Cooper
2014-07-09 13:08     ` Amit Shah
2014-07-09 13:17       ` Jason Cooper
2014-07-09 13:25         ` Amit Shah
2014-07-09 16:07           ` [RFC PATCH] hwrng: sysfs entry rng_seed_kernel, was: "Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] hwrng: fetch randomness only after device init" Jason Cooper
2014-07-11 13:26             ` Amit Shah
2014-07-11 15:44               ` Jason Cooper
2014-07-14 21:50                 ` Kees Cook
2014-07-05  5:34 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] virtio: rng: ensure reads happen after successful probe Amit Shah
2014-07-07  4:38   ` Kees Cook
2014-07-07  5:51     ` Amit Shah
2014-07-07  6:09       ` Kees Cook
2014-07-07  6:34         ` Amit Shah
2014-07-09 12:08           ` Jason Cooper [this message]
2014-07-09 13:15             ` Amit Shah
2014-07-09 16:18   ` Jason Cooper
2014-07-10  8:45     ` Herbert Xu
2014-07-10  9:53       ` Amit Shah
2014-07-10  8:52     ` Amit Shah

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