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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: bsegall@google.com
Cc: Yuyang Du <yuyang.du@intel.com>,
	mingo@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com, arjan.van.de.ven@intel.com,
	len.brown@intel.com, alan.cox@intel.com, mark.gross@intel.com,
	pjt@google.com, fengguang.wu@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] sched: Rewrite per entity runnable load average tracking
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:08:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140710100859.GW3935@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xm26bnsyxsf7.fsf@sword-of-the-dawn.mtv.corp.google.com>

On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 12:07:08PM -0700, bsegall@google.com wrote:
> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> writes:
> 
> > On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 09:07:53AM +0800, Yuyang Du wrote:
> >> That is chalenging... Can someone (Peter) grant us a lock of the remote rq? :)
> >
> > Nope :-).. we got rid of that lock for a good reason.
> >
> > Also, this is one area where I feel performance really trumps
> > correctness, we can fudge the blocked load a little. So the
> > sched_clock_cpu() difference is a strict upper bound on the
> > rq_clock_task() difference (and under 'normal' circumstances shouldn't
> > be much off).
> 
> Well, unless IRQ_TIME_ACCOUNTING or such is on, in which case you lose.
> Or am I misunderstanding the suggestion?

If its on its still an upper bound, and typically the difference is not
too large I think.

Since clock_task is the regular clock minus some local amount, the
difference between two regular clock reads is always a strict upper
bound on clock_task differences.

> Actually the simplest thing
> would probably be to grab last_update_time (which on 32-bit could be
> done with the _copy hack) and use that. Then I think the accuracy is
> only worse than current in that you can lose runnable load as well as
> blocked load, and that it isn't as easily corrected - currently if the
> blocked tasks wake up they'll add the correct numbers to
> runnable_load_avg, even if blocked_load_avg is screwed up and hit zero.
> This code would have to wait until it stabilized again.

The problem with that is that last_update_time is measured in
clock_task, and you cannot transfer these values between CPUs.
clock_task can drift unbounded between CPUs.


  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-10 10:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-02  2:30 [PATCH 1/2] sched: Remove update_rq_runnable_avg Yuyang Du
2014-07-02  2:30 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched: Rewrite per entity runnable load average tracking Yuyang Du
2014-07-07 10:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-07 10:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-07 20:03     ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-07 22:25     ` bsegall
2014-07-08  0:08       ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-08 17:04         ` bsegall
2014-07-09  1:07           ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-09 17:08             ` bsegall
2014-07-09 18:39               ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-09 18:45             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-09 19:07               ` bsegall
2014-07-10 10:08                 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-07-10 17:01                   ` bsegall
2014-07-10 19:53                     ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-10 23:22                   ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-11  8:47                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-11  0:52                       ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-11  2:01                         ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-09 23:30               ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-10 17:06                 ` bsegall
2014-07-10 20:08                   ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-08 12:50       ` Peter Zijlstra

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