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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] workqueue: use dedicated creater kthread for all pools
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:16:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140729021643.GA22241@mtj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53D6F84B.6000000@cn.fujitsu.com>

Hello,

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 09:26:35AM +0800, Lai Jiangshan wrote:
> > It's a bit difficult to get excited about this patchset given that
> > this is mostly churn without many actual benefits.  Sure, it
> > consolidates one-per-pool managers into one kthread_worker but it was
> > one-per-pool already.  That said, I don't hate it and it may be
> > considered an improvement.  I don't know.
> 
> It prefers to processing works rather than creating worker without any
> loss of the guarantee.
> 
> processing works makes directly progress for the system.
> creating worker makes delay and indirectly progress.

That's misleading, isn't it?  Both process work items the same.  The
only difference is per-pool manager ends up using more tasks, thus a
bit more memory, doing it.  There really is no signficant behavior
difference between the two schemes except for how many tasks end up
serving as the manager.

> > This is kinda silly when the duty of worker creation is served by an
> > external entity.  Why would a pool need any idle worker?
> 
> The idle worker must be ready or being prepared for wq_worker_sleeping()
> or chained-wake-up.
> 
> percpu-kthreadd can serve for wq_worker_sleeping() in this case, but it is
> not a good idle to introduce percpu-kthreadd now since no other user.

Hmmm... I'm not really sure what we're getting with this.  It doesn't
look much simpler to me.  :(

Lai, I don't know.  If this ends up simplifying things significantly,
sure, but as it currently stands, I can't see why we'd need to do
this.  If you wanna pursue this, please try to make it more
beneficial.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-29  2:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-26  3:04 [PATCH 0/3] workqueue: offload the worker-management out from kworker Lai Jiangshan
2014-07-26  3:04 ` [PATCH 1/3] workqueue: migrate the new worker before add it to idle_list Lai Jiangshan
2014-07-26  3:04 ` [PATCH 2/3] workqueue: use dedicated creater kthread for all pools Lai Jiangshan
2014-07-28 18:55   ` Tejun Heo
2014-07-29  1:26     ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-07-29  2:16       ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2014-07-29  9:16         ` [PATCH RFC 2/2 V2] " Lai Jiangshan
2014-07-29 15:04           ` Tejun Heo
2014-07-30  0:32             ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-07-30  3:23               ` Tejun Heo
2014-07-30  3:46                 ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-07-30  3:46                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-07-26  3:04 ` [PATCH 3/3] workqueue: cleanup may_start_working() Lai Jiangshan

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