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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Hidetoshi Seto <seto.hidetoshi@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Frank Mayhar <fmayhar@google.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Sanjay Rao <srao@redhat.com>, Larry Woodman <lwoodman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] time,signal: protect resource use statistics with seqlock
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 02:43:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140814004318.GA2582@lerouge> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140813170324.544aaf2d@cuia.bos.redhat.com>

On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 05:03:24PM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> --- a/kernel/time/posix-cpu-timers.c
> +++ b/kernel/time/posix-cpu-timers.c
> @@ -272,22 +272,8 @@ static int posix_cpu_clock_get_task(struct task_struct *tsk,
>  		if (same_thread_group(tsk, current))
>  			err = cpu_clock_sample(which_clock, tsk, &rtn);
>  	} else {
> -		unsigned long flags;
> -		struct sighand_struct *sighand;
> -
> -		/*
> -		 * while_each_thread() is not yet entirely RCU safe,
> -		 * keep locking the group while sampling process
> -		 * clock for now.
> -		 */
> -		sighand = lock_task_sighand(tsk, &flags);
> -		if (!sighand)
> -			return err;
> -
>  		if (tsk == current || thread_group_leader(tsk))
>  			err = cpu_clock_sample_group(which_clock, tsk, &rtn);
> -
> -		unlock_task_sighand(tsk, &flags);
>  	}

I'm worried about such lockless solution based on RCU or read seqcount because
we lose the guarantee that an update is immediately visible by all subsequent
readers.

Say CPU 0 updates the thread time and both CPU 1 and CPU 2 right after that
call clock_gettime(), with the spinlock we were guaranteed to see the new
update. Now with a pure seqlock read approach, we guarantee a
read sequence coherency but we don't guarantee the freshest update result.

So that looks like a source of non monotonic results.

>  
>  	if (!err)
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  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-14  0:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-12 18:25 [PATCH RFC] time: drop do_sys_times spinlock Rik van Riel
2014-08-12 19:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-12 19:22   ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-12 22:27   ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:22     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 17:35       ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 18:08         ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 18:25           ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 18:45             ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 18:57               ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 21:03               ` [PATCH RFC] time,signal: protect resource use statistics with seqlock Rik van Riel
2014-08-14  0:43                 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2014-08-14  1:57                   ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 13:34                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 14:39                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15  2:52                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-15 14:26                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 22:33                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 13:22                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 13:38                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 13:53                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 17:48                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 18:34                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15  5:19                     ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-15  6:28                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-15  9:37                         ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-15  9:44                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-15 16:36                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 16:49                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 17:25                             ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-15 18:36                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 14:24                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 15:37                   ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 16:12                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 17:36                       ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 18:15                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 19:03                           ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 19:37                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15  2:14                       ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-15 14:58                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 21:03               ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:40       ` [PATCH RFC] time: drop do_sys_times spinlock Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 17:50         ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:53           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13  6:59   ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-13 11:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 13:24       ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 13:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 14:09           ` Mike Galbraith

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