From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Hidetoshi Seto <seto.hidetoshi@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Frank Mayhar <fmayhar@google.com>,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Sanjay Rao <srao@redhat.com>, Larry Woodman <lwoodman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] time,signal: protect resource use statistics with seqlock
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 16:26:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140815142601.GA13222@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFTL4hw2uAmyW61_U-hzmAfTeeAkMUg7OZy8zmbAFfbSLpzcqg@mail.gmail.com>
On 08/15, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>
> 2014-08-14 16:39 GMT+02:00 Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>:
> > On 08/14, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> >>
> >> I mean the read side doesn't use a lock with seqlocks. It's only made
> >> of barriers and sequence numbers to ensure the reader doesn't read
> >> some half-complete update. But other than that it can as well see the
> >> update n - 1 since barriers don't enforce latest results.
> >
> > Yes, sure, read_seqcount_begin/read_seqcount_retry "right after"
> > write_seqcount_begin-update-write_seqcount_begin can miss "update" part
> > along with ->sequence modifications.
> >
> > But I still can't understand how this can lead to non-monotonic results,
> > could you spell?
>
> Well lets say clock = T.
> CPU 0 updates at T + 1.
> Then I call clock_gettime() from CPU 1 and CPU 2. CPU 1 reads T + 1
> while CPU 1 still reads T.
> If I do yet another round of clock_gettime() on CPU 1 and CPU 2, it's
> possible that CPU 2 still sees T. With the spinlocked version that
> thing can't happen, the second round would read at least T + 1 for
> both CPUs.
But this is fine? And CPU 2 doesn't see a non-monotonic result?
OK, this could be wrong if, say,
void print_clock(void)
{
lock(SOME_LOCK);
printk(..., clock_gettime());
unlock(SOME_LOCK);
}
printed the non-monotonic numbers if print_clock() is called on CPU_1 and
then on CPU_2. But in this case CPU_2 can't miss the changes on CPU_0 if
they were already visible to CPU_1 under the same lock. IOW,
int T = 0; /* can be incremented at any time */
void check_monotony(void)
{
static int t = 0;
lock(SOME_LOCK);
BUG(t > T);
T = t;
unlock(SOME_LOCK);
}
must work corrrectly (ignoring overflow) even if T is changed without
SOME_LOCK.
Otherwise, without some sort of synchronization the different results on
CPU_1/2 should be fine.
Or I am still missing your point?
Oleg.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-08-15 14:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-12 18:25 [PATCH RFC] time: drop do_sys_times spinlock Rik van Riel
2014-08-12 19:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-12 19:22 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-12 22:27 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 17:35 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 18:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 18:25 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 18:45 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 18:57 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 21:03 ` [PATCH RFC] time,signal: protect resource use statistics with seqlock Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 0:43 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 1:57 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 13:34 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 14:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 2:52 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-15 14:26 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2014-08-15 22:33 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 13:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 13:38 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 13:53 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 17:48 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 18:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 5:19 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-15 6:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-15 9:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-15 9:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-15 16:36 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 16:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 17:25 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-15 18:36 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 14:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 15:37 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 16:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 17:36 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 18:15 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 19:03 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 19:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 2:14 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-15 14:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 21:03 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:40 ` [PATCH RFC] time: drop do_sys_times spinlock Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 17:50 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 6:59 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-13 11:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 13:24 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 13:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 14:09 ` Mike Galbraith
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