From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Hidetoshi Seto <seto.hidetoshi@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Frank Mayhar <fmayhar@google.com>,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Sanjay Rao <srao@redhat.com>, Larry Woodman <lwoodman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] time,signal: protect resource use statistics with seqlock
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:36:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140815183630.GA22832@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53EE4278.8030909@redhat.com>
On 08/15, Rik van Riel wrote:
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> On 08/15/2014 12:49 PM, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> > Just in case... Yes, sure, "seqlock_t stats_lock" is more scalable.
> > Just I do not know it's worth the trouble.
>
> If we don't know whether it is worth the trouble, it is probably best
> to stick to a well-known generic locking algorithm, instead of brewing
> our own and trying to maintain it.
Perhaps. I am obviously biased and can't judge ;) Plus, again, I do
understand that your approach has some advantages too.
> Now to see if this change to cputime_adjust does the trick :)
>
> +++ b/kernel/sched/cputime.c
> @@ -605,9 +605,12 @@ static void cputime_adjust(struct task_cputime *curr,
> * If the tick based count grows faster than the scheduler one,
> * the result of the scaling may go backward.
> * Let's enforce monotonicity.
> + * Atomic exchange protects against concurrent cputime_adjust.
> */
> - - prev->stime = max(prev->stime, stime);
> - - prev->utime = max(prev->utime, utime);
> + while (stime > (rtime = ACCESS_ONCE(prev->stime)))
> + cmpxchg(&prev->stime, rtime, stime);
> + while (utime > (rtime = ACCESS_ONCE(prev->utime)))
> + cmpxchg(&prev->utime, rtime, utime);
Yes, perhaps we need something like this in any case. To remind, at least
do_task_stat() calls task_cputime_adjusted() lockless, although we could
fix this separately.
But I do not think the change above is enough. With this change cputime_adjust()
can race with itself. Yes, this guarantees monotonicity even if it is called
lockless, but this can lead to "obviously inconsistent" numbers.
And I don't think we can ignore this. If we could, then we can remove the
scale_stime recalculation and change cputime_adjust() to simply do:
static void cputime_adjust(struct task_cputime *curr,
struct cputime *prev,
cputime_t *ut, cputime_t *st)
{
/* enforce monotonicity */
*ut = prev->stime = max(prev->stime, curr->stime);
*st = prev->utime = max(prev->utime, curr->utime);
}
Yes, we have this problem either way. And personally I think that this
"enforce monotonicity" logic is pointless, userspace could take care,
but it is too late to complain.
Oleg.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-08-15 18:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-12 18:25 [PATCH RFC] time: drop do_sys_times spinlock Rik van Riel
2014-08-12 19:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-12 19:22 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-12 22:27 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 17:35 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 18:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 18:25 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 18:45 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 18:57 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 21:03 ` [PATCH RFC] time,signal: protect resource use statistics with seqlock Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 0:43 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 1:57 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 13:34 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 14:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 2:52 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-15 14:26 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 22:33 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 13:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 13:38 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 13:53 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 17:48 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 18:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 5:19 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-15 6:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-15 9:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-15 9:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-15 16:36 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 16:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 17:25 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-15 18:36 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2014-08-14 14:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 15:37 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 16:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 17:36 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 18:15 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 19:03 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 19:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 2:14 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-15 14:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 21:03 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:40 ` [PATCH RFC] time: drop do_sys_times spinlock Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 17:50 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 6:59 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-13 11:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 13:24 ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 13:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 14:09 ` Mike Galbraith
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