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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] dynticks: dynticks_idle is only modified locally use this_cpu ops
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:14:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140903171409.GZ5001@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1409031043540.24085@gentwo.org>

On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 10:51:13AM -0500, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> 
> > You would prefer that I instead allocated an NR_CPUS-sized array?
> 
> Well, a shared data structure would be cleaner in general but there are
> certainly other approaches.

Per-CPU variables -are- a shared data structure.

> But lets focus on the dynticks_idle case we are discussing here rather
> than tackle the more difficult other atomics. What is checked in the loop
> over the remote cpus is the dynticks_idle value plus
> dynticks_idle_jiffies. So it seems that memory ordering is only used to
> ensure that the jiffies are seen correctly.
> 
> In that case both the dynticks_idle and dynticks_idle_jiffies could be
> placed in one 64 bit value. If this is stored and retrieved as one then
> there is no issue with ordering anymore and the barriers would no longer
> be needed.

If there was an upper bound on the propagation of values through a system,
I could buy this.

But Mike Galbraith checked the overhead of ->dynticks_idle and found
it to be too small to measure.  So doesn't seem to be a problem worth
extraordinary efforts, especially given that many systems can avoid
it simply by leaving CONFIG_NO_HZ_SYSIDLE=n.

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-03 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-02 20:14 [RFC] dynticks: dynticks_idle is only modified locally use this_cpu ops Christoph Lameter
2014-09-02 20:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-02 20:47   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-09-02 21:15     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-02 23:22       ` Christoph Lameter
2014-09-03  2:11         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-03 14:10           ` Christoph Lameter
2014-09-03 14:43             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-03 15:51               ` Christoph Lameter
2014-09-03 17:14                 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2014-09-03 17:43                   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-09-03 18:19                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-04 15:04                       ` Christoph Lameter
2014-09-04 16:16                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-04 18:19                           ` Christoph Lameter
2014-09-04 19:32                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-08 18:20                               ` Christoph Lameter
2014-09-10 22:18                                 ` Paul E. McKenney

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