sock puppets (Re: (Song) ** SystemD)

sock puppets (Re: (Song) ** SystemD)

[Joel Rees]

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Chuck Ebbert <cebbert.lkml@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 10:29:24 +0000
> Gregory Smith <gregorysmith1974a@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]

Chuck, Al, anyone else paying attention to "Gregory" or "Tom Collins"
or whatever he's calling himself -- I'll repeat what I posted to
debian-user, but this is quite apparently a sockpuppet, either
engaging in recreational trolling, or trying very hard to make it
impossible to discuss systemd with any semblance of rationally.

It seems to be hard enough for the more avid of both the proponents
and opponents to be rational as it is, let's try not to get sucked
into this kind of baiting. (Speaking as one who got a little bit
sucked into it last week or so.)

-- 
Joel Rees

Computer storage is just fancy paper, the CPUs just fancy pens;
all is text, streaming forever from the past into the future.

Re: sock puppets (Re: (Song) ** SystemD)

[Gregory Smith]

Just because you disagree with something does not make it a troll.
Just because someone continued to post to a mailing list which he
was unrightly banned from (because systemd negativity is a no-no
for some), does not mean the message is for trolling.

Trying to suck up or find common ground with the systemd people
will fail.

Rambling Proposal pt 1 of 2. Unix-like Fork. "Indelible Linux/Crystalline Linux"
youtu.be/N18rNxe3Z-o

Rambling Proposal pt 2 of 2. Unix-like Fork. "Indelible Linux/Crystalline Linux"
youtu.be/TG1uqwNzlnk


On 10/5/14, Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Chuck Ebbert <cebbert.lkml@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 10:29:24 +0000
>> Gregory Smith <gregorysmith1974a@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>
> Chuck, Al, anyone else paying attention to "Gregory" or "Tom Collins"
> or whatever he's calling himself -- I'll repeat what I posted to
> debian-user, but this is quite apparently a sockpuppet, either
> engaging in recreational trolling, or trying very hard to make it
> impossible to discuss systemd with any semblance of rationally.
>
> It seems to be hard enough for the more avid of both the proponents
> and opponents to be rational as it is, let's try not to get sucked
> into this kind of baiting. (Speaking as one who got a little bit
> sucked into it last week or so.)
>
> --
> Joel Rees
>
> Computer storage is just fancy paper, the CPUs just fancy pens;
> all is text, streaming forever from the past into the future.
>
>
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Re: sock puppets (Re: (Song) ** SystemD)

[Ken Moffat]

On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 09:15:11PM +0000, Gregory Smith wrote:
> Just because you disagree with something does not make it a troll.
> Just because someone continued to post to a mailing list which he
> was unrightly banned from (because systemd negativity is a no-no
> for some), does not mean the message is for trolling.
> 
> Trying to suck up or find common ground with the systemd people
> will fail.
> 
> Rambling Proposal pt 1 of 2. Unix-like Fork. "Indelible Linux/Crystalline Linux"
> youtu.be/N18rNxe3Z-o
> 
> Rambling Proposal pt 2 of 2. Unix-like Fork. "Indelible Linux/Crystalline Linux"
> youtu.be/TG1uqwNzlnk
> 
> 
> On 10/5/14, Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Chuck Ebbert <cebbert.lkml@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 10:29:24 +0000
> >> Gregory Smith <gregorysmith1974a@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> [...]
> >
> > Chuck, Al, anyone else paying attention to "Gregory" or "Tom Collins"
> > or whatever he's calling himself -- I'll repeat what I posted to
> > debian-user, but this is quite apparently a sockpuppet, either
> > engaging in recreational trolling, or trying very hard to make it
> > impossible to discuss systemd with any semblance of rationally.
> >

 Not everybody on lkml likes systemd (I certainly don't), but I
think almost everyone will agree with Joel, and many will agree with
Al.

 For those of us trying to follow what is going on _in_the_kernel_,
this list is already noisy enough.  My 'killfile' just gained a new
entry.

ĸen (hoping that somebody will go ahead with 'Boot Init Through
Computer Hardware')
-- 
Nanny Ogg usually went to bed early. After all, she was an old lady.
Sometimes she went to bed as early as 6 a.m.

Re: sock puppets (Re: (Song) ** SystemD)

[Joel Rees]

I don't know which side you're on.

All I know is that with all the shock treatment from the noisiest part
of the supposedly anti-crowd and the arrogance, lies, petulance,
pretense, and other primadonna behavior that business-types seem to
like from the pro-crowd, good engineering practices are being thrown
overboard.

Your poisoning the conversation does not help promote good
engineering, that should be obvious. So I tend to think you are a
sock-puppet of the pro-crowd, maybe even Sievers or Poettering posting
under an alias.

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Gregory Smith
<gregorysmith1974a@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just because you disagree with something does not make it a troll.
> Just because someone continued to post to a mailing list which he
> was unrightly banned from (because systemd negativity is a no-no
> for some), does not mean the message is for trolling.
>
> Trying to suck up or find common ground with the systemd people
> will fail.
>
> Rambling Proposal pt 1 of 2. Unix-like Fork. "Indelible Linux/Crystalline Linux"
> youtu.be/N18rNxe3Z-o
>
> Rambling Proposal pt 2 of 2. Unix-like Fork. "Indelible Linux/Crystalline Linux"
> youtu.be/TG1uqwNzlnk
>
>
> On 10/5/14, Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Chuck Ebbert <cebbert.lkml@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 10:29:24 +0000
>>> Gregory Smith <gregorysmith1974a@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>
>> Chuck, Al, anyone else paying attention to "Gregory" or "Tom Collins"
>> or whatever he's calling himself -- I'll repeat what I posted to
>> debian-user, but this is quite apparently a sockpuppet, either
>> engaging in recreational trolling, or trying very hard to make it
>> impossible to discuss systemd with any semblance of rationally.
>>
>> It seems to be hard enough for the more avid of both the proponents
>> and opponents to be rational as it is, let's try not to get sucked
>> into this kind of baiting. (Speaking as one who got a little bit
>> sucked into it last week or so.)

-- 
Joel Rees

Be careful where you see conspiracy.
Look first in your own heart,
and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy.

Re: sock puppets (Re: (Song) ** SystemD)

[Gregory Smith]

Believe whatever you want.

No one seems to give a damn about good engineering practices, if they did there
would be no debate at all. KISS is a very simple principal, systemd obviously
violates it at the most basic level.

All the arguments from the systemd crowd are appeals to authority,
appeals to popularity
(false popularity I might add), and emotional appeals.

When that doesnt don't work, well... ban (application of authority)

The systemd people are winning.
You know why.

Because bullshit walks.
$$$$$(<-even linus likes those)

Nothing's going to overcome that.

Linux has suffered the equivalent of regulatory capture, and Linus
himself is bought.


On 10/5/14, Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know which side you're on.
>
> All I know is that with all the shock treatment from the noisiest part
> of the supposedly anti-crowd and the arrogance, lies, petulance,
> pretense, and other primadonna behavior that business-types seem to
> like from the pro-crowd, good engineering practices are being thrown
> overboard.
>
> Your poisoning the conversation does not help promote good
> engineering, that should be obvious. So I tend to think you are a
> sock-puppet of the pro-crowd, maybe even Sievers or Poettering posting
> under an alias.
>
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Gregory Smith
> <gregorysmith1974a@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Just because you disagree with something does not make it a troll.
>> Just because someone continued to post to a mailing list which he
>> was unrightly banned from (because systemd negativity is a no-no
>> for some), does not mean the message is for trolling.
>>
>> Trying to suck up or find common ground with the systemd people
>> will fail.
>>
>> Rambling Proposal pt 1 of 2. Unix-like Fork. "Indelible Linux/Crystalline
>> Linux"
>> youtu.be/N18rNxe3Z-o
>>
>> Rambling Proposal pt 2 of 2. Unix-like Fork. "Indelible Linux/Crystalline
>> Linux"
>> youtu.be/TG1uqwNzlnk
>>
>>
>> On 10/5/14, Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Chuck Ebbert <cebbert.lkml@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 10:29:24 +0000
>>>> Gregory Smith <gregorysmith1974a@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Chuck, Al, anyone else paying attention to "Gregory" or "Tom Collins"
>>> or whatever he's calling himself -- I'll repeat what I posted to
>>> debian-user, but this is quite apparently a sockpuppet, either
>>> engaging in recreational trolling, or trying very hard to make it
>>> impossible to discuss systemd with any semblance of rationally.
>>>
>>> It seems to be hard enough for the more avid of both the proponents
>>> and opponents to be rational as it is, let's try not to get sucked
>>> into this kind of baiting. (Speaking as one who got a little bit
>>> sucked into it last week or so.)
>
> --
> Joel Rees
>
> Be careful where you see conspiracy.
> Look first in your own heart,
> and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy.
>

Re: sock puppets (Re: (Song) ** SystemD)

[Al Viro]

On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 07:42:32AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> I don't know which side you're on.
> 
> All I know is that with all the shock treatment from the noisiest part
> of the supposedly anti-crowd and the arrogance, lies, petulance,
> pretense, and other primadonna behavior that business-types seem to
> like from the pro-crowd, good engineering practices are being thrown
> overboard.
> 
> Your poisoning the conversation does not help promote good
> engineering, that should be obvious. So I tend to think you are a
> sock-puppet of the pro-crowd, maybe even Sievers or Poettering posting
> under an alias.

You are overcomplicating it.  More likely s/h/it doesn't give a flying fuck
about the outcome, provided that its worthless self gets attention along
the way...

On the off-chance that original poster might someday have a point on something:
	a) You are not Luis Buñuel.  You are not even Ed Wood.
	b) If plain text isn't convincing, throwing video and audio into the
mix won't improve it.
	c) If you can't get through that without rambling, write it down and
trim the crap out.  On related note, if you are recording something and feel
that you need to take a good dump, put the recording on pause.  Rationale: (a).

Re: sock puppets (Re: (Song) ** SystemD)

[Gregory Smith]

Lol, that was my metal bar chair moving.
Fucking idiot.

On 10/5/14, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 07:42:32AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>> I don't know which side you're on.
>>
>> All I know is that with all the shock treatment from the noisiest part
>> of the supposedly anti-crowd and the arrogance, lies, petulance,
>> pretense, and other primadonna behavior that business-types seem to
>> like from the pro-crowd, good engineering practices are being thrown
>> overboard.
>>
>> Your poisoning the conversation does not help promote good
>> engineering, that should be obvious. So I tend to think you are a
>> sock-puppet of the pro-crowd, maybe even Sievers or Poettering posting
>> under an alias.
>
> You are overcomplicating it.  More likely s/h/it doesn't give a flying fuck
> about the outcome, provided that its worthless self gets attention along
> the way...
>
> On the off-chance that original poster might someday have a point on
> something:
> 	a) You are not Luis Buñuel.  You are not even Ed Wood.
> 	b) If plain text isn't convincing, throwing video and audio into the
> mix won't improve it.
> 	c) If you can't get through that without rambling, write it down and
> trim the crap out.  On related note, if you are recording something and
> feel
> that you need to take a good dump, put the recording on pause.  Rationale:
> (a).
>

Re: sock puppets (Re: (Song) ** SystemD)

[Gregory Smith]

I'm not sure if we are speaking the same language.
In my language a metal bar chair is a bar stool with a back that is
made from metal,
usually steel.

I guess it's something else in san-francisco. Don't really want to know.

On 10/6/14, Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote:
> Having forgotten to remove the list from the address line on my last
> ranting response, I'll repeat the error.
>
> 2014/10/06 9:15 "Gregory Smith" <gregorysmith1974a@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Lol, that was my metal bar chair moving.
>> Fucking idiot.
>
> And with that you prove to those who might have still been listening that
> you are more interested in getting attention than in solving problems, even
> if that weren't your intent.
>
> Can't you go join a project coding up some external daemons to catch the
> trash that dbus, et. al. throw at sysvinit to "prove" it needs to be
> replaced? At the very least, you could volunteer to be the list moderator.
>

Re: sock puppets (Re: (Song) ** SystemD)

[Gregory Smith]

Go and fuck yourself.

You're a weak piece of shit if words of derision pull you from a goal.
If your community is affected by being "associated" with someone
they don't like arguing in the same direction that they are
then they are a bunch of women and faggots.

But we knew that since 2006 when you all folded to the distro-women
groups that took up residency, no? You curtsied and kicked out
any man they told you to kick out, because they were not
"respectful" of the womyn. Fuck you and yours you damned piece of
worthless fucking trash.


On 10/6/14, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 03:39:06AM +0000, Gregory Smith wrote:
>> A bar stool scraping against the floor is too much information?
>
> No, your use of "fucking idiot" in place where it reads as a signature.
> OTOH, that information was already apparent from your earlier drivel...
>
> Sod off, wankstain.  Doing a systemd-free fork will take time and efforts
> of people who can do work.  And we tend to have other things to do *and*
> nowhere near enough time.  "Raising awareness", pardon the obscenity, is
> completely pointless in that situation - anybody who *can* contribute is
> bloody well aware of the situation already.  The only difference you are
> making (other than self-gratification) is adding reasons for potential
> contributors to stay away from that work, simply to avoid being associated
> with obnoxious twats like you.  Which means fewer people to spread the work
> among, with everything that implies.
>
> The situation is bad enough as it is.  You are actively making it worse.
> What the fuck did you expect for that, gratitude?  From Lennart - maybe,
> but as for those of us who want a maintainable system free of his shite
> and understand that it won't happen without doing a non-trivial amount
> of work...
>

Re: sock puppets (Re: (Song) ** SystemD)

[Al Viro]

On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 05:29:57AM +0000, Gregory Smith wrote:

You really can't live without audience, can you?  Adding cc to list to
reply to a private flame...  Piss-poor.

> Go and fuck yourself.
> 
> You're a weak piece of shit if words of derision pull you from a goal.
> If your community is affected by being "associated" with someone
> they don't like arguing in the same direction that they are
> then they are a bunch of women and faggots.

Hmm...  You just might be a systemd advocate, after all.  I still doubt
it - you sound more like a general-purpose teenage wanker, but...

> But we knew that since 2006 when you all folded to the distro-women
> groups that took up residency, no? You curtsied and kicked out
> any man they told you to kick out, because they were not
> "respectful" of the womyn.

Interesting, seeing that I'm not respectful of anything and never hid that...

> Fuck you and yours you damned piece of
> worthless fucking trash.

Learn to swear, kid.  This is simply pathetic.  And try to realize that
the word "fuck" won't impress anyone but teenagers.  Neither will "women"
or "faggots".

*plonk*

Re: sock puppets (Re: (Song) ** SystemD)

[Gregory Smith]

Systemd you.

On 10/6/14, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 05:29:57AM +0000, Gregory Smith wrote:
> *plonk*
>