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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
	mingo@kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, ilya.dryomov@inktank.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>,
	rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/11] nested sleeps, fixes and debug infrastructure
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:00:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141029000055.GA12107@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141028082335.GM3337@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 10/28, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 01:07:03AM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> > I was going to say that wait_event_freezable() in kauditd_thread()
> > is not friendly wrt kthread_should_stop() and thus we we need
> > kthread_freezable_should_stop().
>
> I'm not sure those two would interact, yes, both would first set either
> the freezable or stop bit and then wake. If both were to race, all we
> need to ensure is to check both before calling schedule again.
>
> A loop like:
>
> 	while (!kthread_should_stop()) {
> 		wait_event_freezable(wq, cond);
> 	}
>
> Would satisfy that, because even if kthread_should_stop() gets set first
> and then freezing happens and we get into try_to_freeze() first, we'd
> still to the kthread_should_stop() check right after we thaw.

Right after, yes.

But what if it calls try_to_freeze() and another thread (which should
be frozen too) sleeps in kthread_stop() ?

> > Perhaps it also makes sense to redefine wait_event_freezable.*()
> > via ___wait_event(cmd => freezable_schedule), but I think this needs
> > another patch.
>
> So I talked to Rafael yesterday and I'm going to replace all the
> wait_event*() stuff, and I suppose also freezable_schedule() because
> they're racy.
>
> The moment we call freezer_do_not_count() the freezer will ignore us,
> this means the thread could still be running (albeit not for long) when
> the freezer reports success.

Yes, sure. IIRC the theory was that a PF_FREEZER_SKIP will do nothing
"wrong" wrt freezing/suspend before it actually sleeps, but I guess
today we can't assume this.

> Ideally I'll be able to kill the entire freezer_do_not_count() stuff.

Agreed... but it is not clear to me what exactly we can/should do.


Anyway, I only meant that I believe your patch is correct (just it should
not define wait_freezable which we already have), and you could also remove
that kthread_should_stop() which only adds the confusion.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-28 23:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-24  8:18 [PATCH 00/11] nested sleeps, fixes and debug infrastructure Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-24  8:18 ` [PATCH 01/11] locking/mutex: Dont assume TASK_RUNNING Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-28 11:09   ` [tip:sched/core] locking/mutex: Don't " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-24  8:18 ` [PATCH 02/11] wait: Provide infrastructure to deal with nested blocking Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-29 21:02   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-10-02  7:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-02 21:21       ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-10-28 11:09   ` [tip:sched/core] sched/wait: " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-24  8:18 ` [PATCH 03/11] wait: Add might_sleep() Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-28 11:09   ` [tip:sched/core] sched/wait: Add might_sleep() checks tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-24  8:18 ` [PATCH 04/11] exit: Deal with nested sleeps Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-28 11:10   ` [tip:sched/core] sched, " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-24  8:18 ` [PATCH 05/11] inotify: " Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-28 11:10   ` [tip:sched/core] sched, " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-24  8:18 ` [PATCH 06/11] tty: " Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-28 11:10   ` [tip:sched/core] sched, " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-24  8:18 ` [PATCH 07/11] smp: Correctly deal " Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-28 11:11   ` [tip:sched/core] sched, " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-24  8:18 ` [PATCH 08/11] module: Fix nested sleep Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-29 22:18   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-09-30 13:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-28 11:11   ` [tip:sched/core] sched, modules: Fix nested sleep in add_unformed_module() tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-24  8:18 ` [PATCH 09/11] net: Clean up sk_wait_event() vs might_sleep() Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-24  8:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-28 11:11   ` [tip:sched/core] sched, net: Clean up sk_wait_event() vs. might_sleep() tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-24  8:18 ` [PATCH 10/11] sched: Debug nested sleeps Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-29 22:13   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-09-30 13:49     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-30 21:47       ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-10-01 16:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-01 18:35           ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-10-02  9:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-02 21:34               ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-10-28 11:11   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-24  8:18 ` [PATCH 11/11] sched: Exclude cond_resched() from nested sleep test Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-28 11:12   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-25  8:30 ` [PATCH 00/11] nested sleeps, fixes and debug infrastructure Mike Galbraith
2014-09-25  9:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-25  9:10     ` Mike Galbraith
2014-09-25  9:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-25  9:56       ` Mike Galbraith
2014-09-25 13:59         ` BUG: sleeping function called from invalid context at drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq.c:370 Mike Galbraith
2014-09-26  6:24           ` Mike Galbraith
2014-09-26  7:54             ` Mike Galbraith
2014-09-26 14:10               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-26 22:44               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-27  6:14                 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-09-27 19:57                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-02 10:22       ` [PATCH 00/11] nested sleeps, fixes and debug infrastructure Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-02 12:15         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-27 13:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-28  0:07             ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-10-28  8:23               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-29  0:00                 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2014-10-29  9:35                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-29 11:31                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-29 11:36                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-29 14:26                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-11-04 16:08         ` [tip:sched/core] audit, sched/wait: Fixup kauditd_thread() wait loop tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra

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