From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
Bastien Nocera <hadess@hadess.net>,
John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: A desktop environment[1] kernel wishlist
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:16:08 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141029211608.GA32576@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141029202616.GC5000@thunk.org>
On Wed 2014-10-29 16:26:16, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:19:56PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > For a tablet, isn't the relevant piece of information whether the power
> > button was recently pressed, not whether the power button caused the wakeup?
>
> For Android L devices, it has been reported that the device might
> power up its screen fully (note I didn't say 'wake up') automatically
> when it detects that you are picking it up, or when you double-tap the
> screen. It also reportedly has a low power black and white "ambient
> display" (ala the Android Wear devics) which allows you to see
> notifications without waking up the phone all the way[1]. (All of
> this assuming appropriate hardware support, of course.)
>
> [1] http://www.androidauthority.com/ambient-display-lollipop-541198/
>
> Which goes back to the concept of having a "suspend" mode is legacy
> thinking. Modern devices will soon have not just a "awake" and a
> "asleep" modes; there will be (well, is now) a much wider spectrum of
> modes, with the goal of using the minimum amount of power while still
> providing use functionality to the user.
Actually Maemo people (on Nokia N900 and friends) got it right: unlike
android devices, it does not suspend to RAM at any point, and still
has reasonable battery life.
So I agree -- using suspend to RAM on "active" cell phone is just a
bad design.
Pavel
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Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-10-21 8:49 A desktop environment[1] kernel wishlist Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 13:11 ` Sergey
2014-10-22 2:58 ` Minchan Kim
2014-10-22 16:52 ` Dan Streetman
2014-10-22 20:16 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-10-27 16:11 ` Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2014-10-27 9:23 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-27 16:02 ` Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2014-10-31 9:36 ` Jan Kara
2014-11-03 18:21 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-11-04 9:28 ` Jan Kara
2014-11-04 19:55 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-11-05 17:18 ` Jan Kara
2014-10-21 17:04 ` John Stultz
2014-10-21 17:14 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 18:00 ` John Stultz
2014-10-21 18:09 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 19:10 ` John Stultz
2014-10-27 14:19 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:56 ` John Stultz
2014-10-28 22:57 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:41 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:39 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-31 14:03 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-11-03 14:17 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:35 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:25 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-31 14:01 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-11-21 19:08 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-21 19:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-22 17:04 ` Zygo Blaxell
2014-10-27 14:28 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 20:59 ` Zygo Blaxell
2014-10-28 12:36 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 14:36 ` John Stultz
2014-10-31 13:54 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-31 17:38 ` John Stultz
[not found] ` <CANszf4gaozN9YHzxUToRP9CaA1VVEV9vcz_X6LDL1zW3fH4Fow@mail.gmail.com>
2014-10-28 16:41 ` Fwd: " Rogelio Serrano
2014-10-27 9:28 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-27 14:31 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 18:50 ` suspend to partition " Pavel Machek
2014-10-30 13:57 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-29 19:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-29 20:26 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-29 21:16 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2014-10-30 14:45 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 14:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 15:07 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 18:23 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-31 13:57 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 15:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-30 15:15 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 15:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-30 15:36 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 17:41 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-31 13:59 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:21 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 23:19 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:42 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 22:42 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-21 18:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-27 14:20 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 15:31 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-27 15:44 ` Bastien Nocera
2015-04-30 16:25 ` Bastien Nocera
2015-04-30 17:10 ` John Stultz
2015-04-30 17:23 ` Olof Johansson
2015-04-30 18:54 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-01 9:02 ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-04 22:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-05 6:05 ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-05 12:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-07 16:54 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-07 21:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-08 7:09 ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-04 22:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-04 23:30 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 10:46 ` Bastien Nocera
2015-05-05 19:22 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-06 12:41 ` Bastien Nocera
2015-05-05 14:39 ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 17:58 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 19:35 ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 20:58 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 23:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-05 23:38 ` David Lang
2015-05-05 23:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-07 17:03 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-07 18:21 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 23:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-06 17:40 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-07 23:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-11 22:12 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-12 0:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-21 19:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21 19:43 ` Al Viro
2014-10-21 19:47 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 13:55 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 15:12 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 15:45 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 16:09 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:22 ` Al Viro
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