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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Wanlong Gao <gaowanlong@cn.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 1/2] virtio: introduce methods of sanitizing device features
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 13:04:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141118110454.GB21664@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <546ABBC5.7030603@redhat.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:23:49AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On 11/17/2014 06:11 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:44:30AM +0100, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> >> On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:37:01 +0200
> >> "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 05:17:17PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> >>>> Buggy host may advertised buggy host features (a usual case is that host
> >>>> advertise a feature whose dependencies were missed). In this case, driver
> >>>> should detect and disable the buggy features by itself.
> >>>>
> >>>> This patch introduces driver specific sanitize_features() method which is
> >>>> called just before features finalizing to detect and disable buggy features
> >>>> advertised by host.
> >>>>
> >>>> Virtio-net will be the first user.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
> >>>> Cc: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> >>>> Cc: Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>
> >>>> Cc: Wanlong Gao <gaowanlong@cn.fujitsu.com>
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> >>> Hmm this conflicts with virtio 1.0 work: we drop
> >>> features as bitmap there.
> >> But that's an implementation detail, no? We'll still need a way for the
> >> driver to sanitize features, and I think this interface works just fine.
> > Now that you mention it, I don't think we do.
> >
> > The spec is quite explicit that devices must not expose invalid
> > combinations of features.
> >
> > Admittedly, BUG_ON isn't very friendly to hypervisors.
> >
> > But e.g. failing probe seems better than trying to work around
> > hypervisor bugs - otherwise we'll be stuck maintaining compatibility
> > with hypervisors forever.
> >
> 
> I'm ok with failing the probe.
> 
> But it won't cost big effort to workaround only features dependencies
> issue.

>From experience, second-guessing user always adds maintainance.

> I don't see how this block any further features implementation.
> Looking at virtio-net, it also depends on network core to fix NETIF_F_*
> dependencies.

That code is common for all drivers, so it was moved to core.

> There seems no way to get rid of maintaining compatibility, e.g  the
> workarounds for the buggy hypervisor without VIRTIO_F_ANY_LAYOUT support.

Right - because too many hypervisors shipped without it, it's too
much work to fix them all.
No such motivation here, right?

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2014-11-18 11:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-17  9:17 [PATCH V3 1/2] virtio: introduce methods of sanitizing device features Jason Wang
2014-11-17  9:17 ` [PATCH V3 2/2] virtio-net: sanitize buggy features advertised by host Jason Wang
2014-11-17 10:08   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-18  3:03     ` Jason Wang
2014-11-18 11:02       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-17  9:37 ` [PATCH V3 1/2] virtio: introduce methods of sanitizing device features Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-17  9:44   ` Cornelia Huck
2014-11-17 10:11     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-17 10:20       ` Cornelia Huck
2014-11-17 10:28         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-17 11:20           ` Cornelia Huck
2014-11-18  3:23       ` Jason Wang
2014-11-18 11:04         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2014-11-19  3:00           ` Jason Wang

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