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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 07/30] cputime: Convert kcpustat to nsecs
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 20:59:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141201195941.GE27302@lerouge> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141201182738.2b344a18@mschwide>

On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:27:38PM +0100, Martin Schwidefsky wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:15:36 +0100 (CET)
> Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Martin Schwidefsky wrote:
> > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 17:10:34 +0100
> > > Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Speaking about the degradation in s390:
> > > > 
> > > > s390 is really a special case. And it would be a shame if we prevent from a
> > > > real core cleanup just for this special case especially as it's fairly possible
> > > > to keep a specific treatment for s390 in order not to impact its performances
> > > > and time precision. We could simply accumulate the cputime in per-cpu values:
> > > > 
> > > > struct s390_cputime {
> > > >        cputime_t user, sys, softirq, hardirq, steal;
> > > > }
> > > > 
> > > > DEFINE_PER_CPU(struct s390_cputime, s390_cputime);
> > > > 
> > > > Then on irq entry/exit, just add the accumulated time to the relevant buffer
> > > > and account for real (through any account_...time() functions) only on tick
> > > > and task switch. There the costly operations (unit conversion and call to
> > > > account_...._time() functions) are deferred to a rarer yet periodic enough
> > > > event. This is what s390 does already for user/system time and kernel
> > > > boundaries.
> > > > 
> > > > This way we should even improve the situation compared to what we have
> > > > upstream. It's going to be faster because calling the accounting functions
> > > > can be costlier than simple per-cpu ops. And also we keep the cputime_t
> > > > granularity. For archs like s390 which have a granularity higher than nsecs,
> > > > we can have:
> > > > 
> > > >    u64 cputime_to_nsecs(cputime_t time, u64 *rem);
> > > > 
> > > > And to avoid remainder losses, we can do that from the tick:
> > > > 
> > > >     delta_cputime = this_cpu_read(s390_cputime.hardirq);
> > > >     delta_nsec = cputime_to_nsecs(delta_cputime, &rem);
> > > >     account_system_time(delta_nsec, HARDIRQ_OFFSET);
> > > >     this_cpu_write(s390_cputime.hardirq, rem);
> > > > 
> > > > Although I doubt that remainders below one nsec lost each tick matter that much.
> > > > But if it does, it's fairly possible to handle like above.
> > >  
> > > To make that work we would have to move some of the logic from account_system_time
> > > to the architecture code. The decision if a system time delta is guest time,
> > > irq time, softirq time or simply system time is currently done in 
> > > kernel/sched/cputime.c.
> > > 
> > > As the conversion + the accounting is delayed to a regular tick we would have
> > > to split the accounting code into decision functions which bucket a system time
> > > delta should go to and introduce new function to account to the different buckets.
> > > 
> > > Instead of a single account_system_time we would have account_guest_time,
> > > account_system_time, account_system_time_irq and account_system_time_softirq.
> > > 
> > > In principle not a bad idea, that would make the interrupt path for s390 faster
> > > as we would not have to call account_system_time, only the decision function
> > > which could be an inline function.
> > 
> > Why make this s390 specific?
> > 
> > We can decouple the accounting from the time accumulation for all
> > architectures.
> > 
> > struct cputime_record {
> >        u64 user, sys, softirq, hardirq, steal;
> > };
> > 
> > DEFINE_PER_CPU(struct cputime_record, cputime_record);
> > 
> > Now let account_xxx_time() just work on that per cpu data
> > structures. That would just accumulate the deltas based on whatever
> > the architecture uses as a cputime source with whatever resolution it
> > provides.
> > 
> > Then we collect that accumulated results for the various buckets on a
> > regular base and convert them to nano seconds. This is not even
> > required to be at the tick, it could be done by some async worker and
> > on idle enter/exit.
> 
> And leave the decision making in kernel/sched/cputime.c. Yes, that is good.
> This would make the arch and the account_xxx_time() function care about
> cputime_t and all other common code would use nano-seconds. With the added
> benefit that I do not have to change the low level code too much ;-)

Yes that sounds really good. Besides, this whole machinery can also benefit for
CONFIG_VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNTING_GEN which is the same context entry/exit based
cputime accounting, just it's based on context tracking.

Note the current differences between those two CONFIG_VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNTING
flavours:

_ CONFIG_VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNTING_NATIVE:
  * user/kernel boundaries: accumulate
  * irq boundaries: account
  * context_switch: account
  * tick: account (pending user time if any)
  * task_cputime(): direct access

_ CONFIG_VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNTING_GEN:
  * user/kernel boundaries: account
  * irq boundaries: account
  * context_switch: account
  * tick: ignore
  * task_cputime(): direct access + accumulate

More details about task_cputime(): tsk->[us]time are fetched through task_cputime(),
in NATIVE tsk->[us]time are periodically accounted (thanks to the tick)
so task_cputime() simply return the fields as is.
In GEN the tick maybe off so task_cputime() returns tsk->[us]time + pending
accumulated time.

I'm recalling that because Thomas suggests that we don't _have_ to account
the accumulated time from the tick and indeed, this can be done from calls
to task_cputime() like we do for GEN. Of course this comes at the cost of
overhead on any access to utime and stime fields of a task_struct. Thus
the pros and cons must be carefully considered between tick overhead 
and task_cputime() overhead, I'd personally be cautious and flush from
the tick at least as a first step.

That is:

_ CONFIG_VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNTING (GEN || NATIVE)
  * user/kernel boundaries: accumulate
  * irq boundaries: accumulate
  * context_switch: account
  * tick: account on NATIVE
  * task_cputime: return accumulated on GEN

I can take care of that as a preclude before the conversion of cputime to nsecs.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-01 19:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-28 18:23 [RFC PATCH 00/30] cputime: Convert task/cpu cputime accounting to nsecs Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 01/30] jiffies: Remove HZ > USEC_PER_SEC special case Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 02/30] time: Introduce jiffies64_to_nsecs() Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 03/30] cputime: Introduce nsecs_to_cputime64() Frederic Weisbecker
2014-12-01 14:05   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 04/30] s390: Convert open coded idle time seqcount Frederic Weisbecker
2014-12-01 13:46   ` Heiko Carstens
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 05/30] s390: Translate cputime magic constants to macros Frederic Weisbecker
2014-12-01 13:47   ` Heiko Carstens
2014-12-01 16:23     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 06/30] s390: Introduce cputime64_to_nsecs() Frederic Weisbecker
2014-12-01 12:24   ` Heiko Carstens
2014-12-01 13:58     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2014-12-01 16:23     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 07/30] cputime: Convert kcpustat to nsecs Frederic Weisbecker
2014-12-01 14:14   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2014-12-01 16:10     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-12-01 16:48       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2014-12-01 17:15         ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-12-01 17:27           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2014-12-01 19:59             ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2014-12-01 20:14           ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-12-01 20:21             ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 08/30] apm32: Fix cputime == jiffies assumption Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 09/30] alpha: Fix jiffies based cputime assumption Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 10/30] cputime: Convert guest time accounting to nsecs Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 11/30] cputime: Special API to return old-typed cputime Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 12/30] cputime: Convert task/group cputime to nsecs Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 13/30] alpha: Convert obsolete cputime_t " Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 14/30] x86: Convert obsolete cputime type " Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 15/30] isdn: " Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 16/30] binfmt: " Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 17/30] acct: " Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 18/30] delaycct: " Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 19/30] tsacct: " Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 20/30] signal: " Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 21/30] cputime: Remove task_cputime_t_scaled Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 22/30] u64_stats_sync: Introduce preempt-unsafe readers Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 23/30] cputime: Convert irq_time_accounting to use u64_stats_sync Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 24/30] cputime: Increment kcpustat directly on irqtime account Frederic Weisbecker
2014-12-01 14:41   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2014-12-01 16:15     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-12-01 16:50       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 25/30] cputime: Remove temporary irqtime states Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 26/30] cputime: Push time to account_user_time() in nanosecs Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 27/30] cputime: Push time to account_steal_time() " Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 28/30] cputime: Push time to account_idle_time() " Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:23 ` [RFC PATCH 29/30] cputime: Push time to account_guest_time() " Frederic Weisbecker
2014-11-28 18:24 ` [RFC PATCH 30/30] cputime: Push time to account_system_time() " Frederic Weisbecker

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