From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753492AbbAEQ2k (ORCPT ); Mon, 5 Jan 2015 11:28:40 -0500 Received: from atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz ([195.113.26.193]:40695 "EHLO atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753432AbbAEQ2i (ORCPT ); Mon, 5 Jan 2015 11:28:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:28:34 +0100 From: Pavel Machek To: One Thousand Gnomes Cc: NeilBrown , Grant Likely , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Mark Rutland , Jiri Slaby , devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] TTY: add support for "tty slave" devices. Message-ID: <20150105162833.GA20821@amd> References: <20141211214801.4127.93914.stgit@notabene.brown> <20141211215943.4127.24792.stgit@notabene.brown> <20141228142010.GA3922@amd> <20150103103357.2406fc23@notabene.brown> <20150105154141.6f191cd5@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150105154141.6f191cd5@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon 2015-01-05 15:41:41, One Thousand Gnomes wrote: > > It would be really nice if the uart would register the line disciple as a > > child device, then the line discipline would register whatever it wants. > > For almost every case this doesn't work. You need a tty interface as well > because thats how you manage it. > > > But that isn't how it works. The line discipline doesn't talk to the uart. > > Rather the tty layer talks to the uart (through tty_operations) and to the > > line discipline (through tty_ldisc_ops) and also registers the char_dev. > > This is intentional. An ldisc has no business knowing what it's connected > to. Try running bluetooth over a tty/pty pair remotely to a dongle - and > you can do it or faking a GSM mux over a tty/pty pair for testing. Not all cases are like that. IIRC Neil's hardware uses CTS/RTS in an interesting way. bc2048 is connected to serial+clocks+gpios... > There are lots of cases where we know the correct ldisc from information > in the ACPI, DT or even USB identifiers in order to plug in the right > ldisc and daemon but I think that pretty much has to be in user space. > The kernel might be able to set an ldisc but it can't go around starting > bluetooth daemons, doing modem chats to go into mux mode or firing up > JMRI and java when it sees a Sprog. That's a job for systemd/udev. No need to start bluetooth daemons: userspace can start them itself. Just like in btusb case. Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html