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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	"Andrew G. Morgan" <morgan@kernel.org>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Aaron Jones <aaronmdjones@gmail.com>, "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Implement ambient capability set.
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:51:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150204215158.GA21613@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVx3+u_AHUiAcm5AaVdOweUfANrGT0P2H6stShxw2RLUw@mail.gmail.com>

Quoting Andy Lutomirski (luto@amacapital.net):
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Serge E. Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com> wrote:
> > Quoting Andy Lutomirski (luto@amacapital.net):
> >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Serge E. Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com> wrote:
> >> > Quoting Andy Lutomirski (luto@amacapital.net):
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> wrote:
> >> >> > +
> >> >> > +               if (!cap_valid(arg2))
> >> >> > +                       return -EINVAL;
> >> >> > +
> >> >> > +               new =prepare_creds();
> >> >> > +               if (arg3 == 0)
> >> >> > +                       cap_lower(new->cap_ambient, arg2);
> >> >> > +               else
> >> >> > +                       cap_raise(new->cap_ambient, arg2);
> >> >> > +               return commit_creds(new);
> >> >> > +
> >> >>
> >> >> This let you add capabilities you don't even have to cap_ambient.  I'm
> >> >> fine with that as long as the cap evolution rule changes, as above.
> >> >
> >> > How about if instead we do restrict it to what's in pP?  I don't
> >> > want CAP_SETPCAP to become a cheap way to get all caps back.  With
> >> > or without NNP.
> >>
> >> We'd also have to modify everything that can change pP to change pA as
> >> well if we went this route.  I'd be okay with that, but it would make
> >> the patch much larger, and I'm not entirely sure I see the benefit.
> >> It would keep the number of possible states smaller, which could be
> >> nice.
> >
> > Do you mean if we didn't require NNP?  I'm suggesting that even if
> > we require NNP we should restrict any new bits added to pA to be
> > in pP at the prctl call.  Then whether or not to drop them from
> > pA when they are dropped from pP, I'm not yet certain.
> 
> I mean regardless of whether we require NNP.
> 
> I think that, unless we change the evolution rule, we would need to
> drop from pA when bits are dropped from pP to preserve the idea that
> dropping bits from pP drops them for good (as long as ruid != 0 or
> some securebit is set).

Ok, so iiuc the rules would be:

1. must set nnp and have ns_capable(CAP_SETPCAP) to
call prctl(PR_SET_AMBIENT_WHATEVER)

2. adding bits to pA requires they be in pP at prctl time

3. dropping bits from pP drops them also from pA

4. at exec, fP |= pA;  pA' = pA

Christoph, would these suffice for your use caes?

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-04 21:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-04 18:49 [RFC] Implement ambient capability set Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 20:44 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04 21:16   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-04 21:24     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04 21:27       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-04 21:31         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04 21:51           ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2015-02-04 22:02             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-04 22:32               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-05  0:03                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-04 21:57       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 22:29         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04 21:51     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 21:56       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04 22:01         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 22:02           ` [RFC] Implement ambient capability set V2 Christoph Lameter
2015-02-05  7:20 ` [RFC] Implement ambient capability set Michael Kerrisk

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